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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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And those posts should not be happening either.
Completely ignoring people's points to flame them/turn the topic into being about them is rather unacceptable here. And yes, civility is enforced. There's a reason for that. Not just cause we're at TVT, where civility is a major rule here, but because there's never an excuse to be rude. Ever.
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He's a loser because he lost. Though there are obviously people hear who have distaste for the the man, the person who made that comment was clearly speaking from that perspective.
And it's not that other people don't oppose it, it's that he's coming off as unreasonable (to some) by expecting all of his demands to be met or he'll start trouble.
edited 4th Jul '16 12:47:34 AM by LSBK
Yawn. A presidential nomination primary. Not the same thing as a policy primary. Especially since Hillary itself did flip against TPP/TTIP. Being disingenuous about this is not going to convince anybody.
Now, if memory serves, the reason why Sanders' request about TTP/TTIP was rejected was because the Democrats want not to step on Obama's toes. Which to me only indicates Obama needs to be inculcated a bit more that his treaties are economically questionable. I am also not sold on reading the op-ed as presented in POLITICO as "starting trouble".
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I think we have some communication failure going on? I meant: there is more to politics than only elections. The "He lost, get over" is exactly this narrow perspective that I'm talking about.
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The quote simply means that he wants to achieve change through the people, that's all. Saying that he is asking these same people to cause chaos if he doesn't get nominated is really the worst possible interpretation that you can give to it. Or do you really think he's asking human rights advocates, of all people, to cause trouble?
edited 4th Jul '16 1:18:13 AM by Perian
Sanders may not have gotten the majority of votes in the primary. He still got a sizeable minority. Saying he should just shut up and be gone because he didn't 'win' is kinda going into a tyranny of the majority?
I get the wish to have the Democratic Party unified going forward against the great toupee, but honestly...the very aggressive tone here regarding him, reductive language to "loser" and general demonization is just not exactly the high art of politic discourse one wishes for.
edited 4th Jul '16 2:07:27 AM by 3of4
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And I basically agree with you. There is not much middle ground left here in regards to Sanders, which gets tiring.
edited 4th Jul '16 2:27:46 AM by 3of4
"You can reply to this Message!"It's amazing how quickly some folks have become pro the TPP (which as Fighteer has explained before is not free trade) once Sander's is opposing it.
I'd like to know what kind of trouble he's threatening, if he's just gonna be a pain at the convention within the rules that he's entitled to do that. Wake me up when he makes dangerous threats like a third party run.
edited 4th Jul '16 3:00:26 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI think your point might be better stated as "getting elected is only a means to an end: the ultimate goal is to effect policy, and that can be done without being President (although that would have helped)."
Most trade deals tend to have debatable benefits and disadvantages. I don't know if TTP/TTIP are special among trade deals, except for the fact that they come in a time where people realize that a) trade deals often contain corporate welfare provisions (ISDS, copyright rules etc.) of questionable societal benefit and b) trade deals tend to have redistributive effects that typically aren't fixed.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanThat's basically it. Attacking people who oppose specific "trade" deals on account of them being against free trade is attacking a Straw Man.
Reducing politics to promotion ladders and electoral races seems silly as well. Calling Sanders a "political zombie" because he's not the one person nominated to be presidential candidate strikes me as very misleading.
I'm hoping that the TPP, TTIP, and other SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, Special 301, and so on and so forth are widely shown for what they are and stopped before inception.
edited 4th Jul '16 5:13:18 AM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Donald Trump too, but he isn't trustworthy and there is a mile of reasons not to vote for him anyway.
Hillary as well, but not very proactively.
edited 4th Jul '16 6:01:22 AM by SeptimusHeap
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edited 3rd Jul '16 10:22:38 PM by flameboy21th
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