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940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#128576: Jul 2nd 2016 at 5:24:57 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFCKiZdfTpU

Here's the chair that was "thrown" by Bernie supporters by the way.

I was just bringing up facts about Hilary to counter the anti-Sanders crowd, but fine. Let's change the subject.

edited 2nd Jul '16 5:26:03 PM by 940131

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#128577: Jul 2nd 2016 at 5:27:05 PM

You don't counter smears about someone by trying to smear someone else.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#128578: Jul 2nd 2016 at 5:31:27 PM

Pointing what you consider flaws isn't demonization either, and it gets annoying when people bring up the same devoid of fact accusations again and again, 9. We're not anti-Sanders here, if he was the candidate the vast majority of us would vote for him because he's clearly better than Trump. Most of us just like Hillary better, for whatever reason.

@Cap; No, it doesn't raise that question. The situations aren't very analogous, for one. For another, people have repeatedly asked for some evidence that said donations have actually influenced her policies and no one that's been asked that question has actually given us much, if anything. From this I conclude it's one of those "mountains out of molehill" situations. Assumptions, are just that, assumptions, guesses, might bes and probablys, and I'm not going to assume she's being bribed for work that lots of people do, or is automatically beholden to industries that quite often donate on both sides of the political spectrum.

edited 2nd Jul '16 5:40:37 PM by AceofSpades

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#128579: Jul 2nd 2016 at 5:33:03 PM

People, check his record.

Have you? Sander's record isn't exactly squeaky clean. He's lucky that he never faced any real scrutiny.

Onto a different subject: Today I saw something I would have never expected: A Sanders For President booth. Of course when I actually talked to them, they talked about stuff like funding pro-Sanders delegates and signing a petition against TPP, rather than seriously thinking he can still win.

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940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#128580: Jul 2nd 2016 at 5:37:57 PM

I thought we were moving on?

@LSBK I didn't smear her though. She did come in on the side of gay rights late, she did call African American boys super predators, she did support the Iraq war, she has no intention of being an honest broker in the Israel Palestine conflict, she did drag Monica Lewinsky through the mud when the sex scandal broke out and she has taken millions of dollars from business men who want to game the system. I didn't call her a lunatic (in fact I said she has a good temperament, was experienced and competent), evil and genocidal. I've just been telling the truth.

@Aces Pointing what you consider flaws isn't demonization either, and it gets annoying when people bring up the same devoid of fact accusations again and again, 9.

Pot meet kettle.

@Storyyeller Is Hilary's record better?

edited 2nd Jul '16 5:56:39 PM by 940131

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#128581: Jul 2nd 2016 at 5:40:00 PM

Does it matter if it is? The other option is Trump, who is among the most terrifying presidential candidates we've had, imo.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#128582: Jul 2nd 2016 at 5:43:12 PM

[up][up][up] He did face serious scrutiny. What came up failed to take off; all of the things you've mentioned, up to and including the NIMBY and Soviet Sympathizer accusation were tossed around by mainstream press for a few days a piece before failing to take off. Clinton herself couldn't pull the red scare card because the democrats are theoretically the left of America, and the GOP had diluted it to the point where it's no longer taken seriously.

edited 2nd Jul '16 5:44:00 PM by CaptainCapsase

940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#128583: Jul 2nd 2016 at 5:43:53 PM

@Smokeycut We're not talking about Trump. We're talking about Sanders and Clinton.

edited 2nd Jul '16 5:47:18 PM by 940131

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#128584: Jul 2nd 2016 at 5:46:02 PM

There's no reason to talk about Sanders vs Clinton. Hillary won. Now it's between Clinton and Trump, which is why I'm talking about them.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#128585: Jul 2nd 2016 at 5:49:40 PM

Wait, didn't he actually say earlier that Trump was worse than Hillary and Sanders?

I agree with the last point, but there's a difference insisting on purity, and insisting on progression. Clinton is a fair bit more militaristic and more tied to particular industries than Obama, not less, and her, Sanders, and Obama are about the same in regards to where they stand on social justice issues.

Trump is worse on all three counts however, so voting for her is important if you're in a district he can contest.

edited 2nd Jul '16 5:51:21 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#128586: Jul 2nd 2016 at 5:50:37 PM

Texas governor Greg Abbott is shunning seccesion, but has had the state government buy up ads on British websites enticing business to come to Texas for the low taxes.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#128588: Jul 2nd 2016 at 6:09:01 PM

[up] ...for some reason I thought that was 940131 saying that.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#128589: Jul 2nd 2016 at 6:32:14 PM

I've said a thousand times already that I think Trumps a jackass, but apparently as long as I don't slander Sanders and sweep things under the rug for Hilary, it's not good enough.

edited 2nd Jul '16 6:32:49 PM by 940131

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#128590: Jul 2nd 2016 at 6:35:26 PM

[up]Who has been saying that exactly?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#128591: Jul 2nd 2016 at 6:39:30 PM

[up][up] I think it's more that what you see as "sweeping under the rug" others are seeing as slander in and of itself.

edited 2nd Jul '16 6:39:38 PM by sgamer82

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#128592: Jul 2nd 2016 at 6:42:19 PM

Yeah, you're basically bringing up slander, 9. Plus it's slander we've all discussed like a dozen times before you showed up, so we're kind of tired of talking about the same old thing again. And the way you repeated these things in nearly every post, which was obnoxious. You're not bringing new or insightful to the conversation so far.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#128593: Jul 2nd 2016 at 6:52:56 PM

Changing gears a bit, is that thing about the Texas governor buying British ad space something we should see as alarming or concerning? Or just "well, okay buddy, you do that..."

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#128594: Jul 2nd 2016 at 6:56:46 PM

The last. It's not a deal. Maybe the governor being a jerk, but that's about it.

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#128595: Jul 2nd 2016 at 7:02:59 PM

States are always trying to attract buisness. Often they do so in stupid and counterproductive ways, but it's not all that newsworthy.

Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's Play
940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#128596: Jul 2nd 2016 at 7:24:00 PM

@Aces What was obnoxious is that you called me a troll for having a different oppinion from you and expecting me to be caught up on over 5000 pages of information, but whatever. My points on Clinton vs Sanders were accurate. Let's move on.

It's not a matter of doubt. It's on the record. You have the intenet. Look it up.

edited 2nd Jul '16 7:38:06 PM by 940131

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#128597: Jul 2nd 2016 at 7:29:47 PM

[up]I doubt the accuracy, myself. But, I'm outside the issue, so my opinion doesn't count.

About that Texas daftness... What it looks like to me: "Gosh, British companies are going to be all spooked about the Brexit. Let's poach some of those willing to abandon ship while the getting of them is good! And, let's just ignore the irony of a place touting for jumping rats... when it's a place that constantly threatens to exit its own Union on a regular basis, whenever it feels like making a point." tongue

edited 2nd Jul '16 7:30:54 PM by Euodiachloris

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#128598: Jul 2nd 2016 at 7:50:35 PM

Really, 9? You're just throwing up your hands and saying "I'm right, all of you are wrong, go look it up, it's a fact"? If that's your reaction to people disagreeing with you, I'm not quite sure why you came here to argue this.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#128599: Jul 2nd 2016 at 8:00:32 PM

Some of us get by fine here without "slandering Sanders" by the way, admitedly I also don't throw shit at Clinton so maybe that's why.

Anyway someone bought up gun control and Clinton and I wanted to ask, has she evolved on that? She used to be a big pusher for the AWB being an answer to everything, instead of pushing practical solution like letting the CDC do their job, letting the ATF do their job or bringing in mandatory background checks, or banning private sales.

Clinton's gun politics seems like a good way to anger legitimate gun owners and do nothing to solve the issues the US faces with gun violence.

edited 2nd Jul '16 8:00:59 PM by Silasw

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940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#128600: Jul 2nd 2016 at 8:03:51 PM

@stoneycut No. I'm trying to move on, but you guys keep on going back.

@Silasw If you can point out anything I've said about her that's false, with proof, I'll apologize. I'll be waiting, but I'm not expecting anything.

edited 2nd Jul '16 8:07:39 PM by 940131


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