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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
He was obviously lying about not knowing who David Duke was or about the KKK. I can't imagine, any American to be so ignorant of the countries history that they wouldn't know what KKK is about. Saying he's associated with David Duke, is a big strech though. The closest they came to an association was when he considered running on the Reform Party Ticket. Ultimately, he decided not to because of the members.
”So the Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep,” Trump said.
I suppose, Mr. Trump forgot that the internet existed and we could easily check the record when he played dumb about David Duke and the KKK. It's strange, after all this is the guy on Twitter at 3 in the morning.
edited 2nd Jul '16 1:02:40 PM by 940131
Comparing the colonialists to illegal immigrants I think falls into the category of Metaphor Backfire (and partially Insult to Rocks)-if illegals were as bad as conquistadors and the likes of Christopher Columbus and presented a threat similar to the US what they presented to Native Americans, Donald Trump's views would seem a lot saner.
As for the "True Americans" argument, it's highly subjective but basically means "embodies a lot of virtues that American Culture values highly". If I had to make my own suggestion, I'd say the following: Ambition, Self-Reliance, lack of Prejudice". A good example of someone who's the antithesis of American virtiues, I would point to Donald Trump, an entitled leech who's also an elitist bigot.
As for the Native Americans, it's probably accurate to say that the term "Americans" refers to "United Statesians"-the Native Americans pre-date the United States and belonged to their own nations. In the de facto, these nations really don't exist in a meaningful way and are puppet states of the US.
Leviticus 19:34@Rational I agree. I think a big part of the reason was that he wanted to get out the racist vote, but I doubt most southerners are racist. It's not 1916 it's 2016. Maybe the debates about the Confederate Flag gave him that impression. I can only imagine that that a black person seeing it flying from government buildings would be like a Jew or a German seeing the Swastika flying over government buildings in Germany.
@Le Garco Let's dispel this fiction once and for all that Donald Trump doesn't know what he is doing, he knows exactly what he's doing?
@Protagonjst Who in this thread said that illegal immigrants are as bad as Colombus or the Conquistadors?
edited 2nd Jul '16 1:30:26 PM by 940131
The most damning thing is that he refused to let a biracial contestant on a beauty pageant, and outright stated it was specifically because of her race.
Leviticus 19:34A list of examples
, if memory serves it's somewhat incomplete.
There's a caveat with the idea that Trump knows exactly what he's doing. I think when it comes to personal appearances, that is mostly the case, but when it comes to business and the parts of his campaign that doesn't involve personal appearances, he either delegates to morons (they set up a superPAC to appeal to the Amish, AKA, people who don't vote. Ever.) or he does stuff that is self-destructive at best, like trying to get British and Icelandic government officials to donate to his campaign.
Even without having to worry about alignment of sources, we still have things like:
Donald "We have to hunt down terrorist families
" Trump (Maybe not as racist as other examples, but has always disturbed me on a personal level and serves as the Moral Event Horizon at which point I had no intention of voting for him if I was ever going to have any)
Donald "We have to ban all muslims" Trump (reason it's bigoted, if not strictly racist: How do you identify a Muslim? Or, perhaps more accurately, how would he identify a Muslim?)
Donald "This judge can't be fair in my trial because he's Mexican
" Trump (Judge was American born, btw)
Donald "Hey, look at my African American, there
" Trump (I'm not racist, my random acquaintance is black)
Heh, you know, it just occurred to me. People are worried about Clinton's potentially being indicted as hurting her chances while Trump is actively on trial (Civil Court, sure, but still)
edited 2nd Jul '16 2:05:49 PM by sgamer82
@sgamer82 1) Well it should. Killing people for being related to terrorists isn't just evil, it's a war crime.
2) Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee are for banning muslims too. They're for letting Christian Syrian refugees in but keeping muslims out. Trump is an Islamaphobe. Who said he wasn't? I think muslims, are probably the most stigmitized minorty in America and Canada today.
3) The polls say Trump is very unpopular with Mexican Americans for understandable reasons. I don't think Trump has any right to complain though Trump University was an obvious con.
4) If you're suggesting that he meant ownership, I think that's a stretch.
edited 2nd Jul '16 2:09:23 PM by 940131
Precisely. Islamophobia is, if not strictly racist (again, see "how do you identify a muslim?") definitely bigoted however you cut it. There's not a big line between them.
I never had any intention of voting Cruz, either. Everything I've heard about him said Christian Fundamentalist, the last type of person I think should be anywhere near power.
I think I've lost track here, are you trying to prove Trump is, or is not, racist? Because I was getting a vibe that you were saying "no", but now I'm honestly unsure.
Speaking of Cruz:
Cruz chairs contentious U.S. Senate hearing on 'radical Islam'
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-islam-idUSKCN0ZE2U4
edited 2nd Jul '16 2:07:59 PM by sgamer82
@sgamer 1) http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-tweet-with-star-of-david-draws-social-media-backlash/
2) Some people think this star was a shot at that old conspiracy theory that the Jews secretly control the world. The one a lot of neo Nazis believe. They think Trump is suggesting that Hillary is controlled by the Jews. All I'm saying is that I think its a stretch. It's undeniable that he's an Islamaphobe and a xenophobe. Is he a bigot? I think so. But people suggesting he's a secret white supremacist are going to far IMO. I think he's bigoted in the same way that Bill O' Reilly is bigoted.
3) If I was an American, I'd have voted for Sanders. Trumps insane and Hilary's corrupt.
edited 2nd Jul '16 2:18:47 PM by 940131
Maybe not, but at least Trump is more open about what he is. Trump's a monster and everyone knows it. People like Clinton and Cruz are old style sleazy politicians. They ooze slime and it sickens me. If Sanders had been more like Trump and focused on the person over the issues, he'd have stood a better chance.
@I Love Dogs How is Sanders an egotist?
edited 2nd Jul '16 2:32:10 PM by 940131
Meant to reply to this part:
Also, I don't think anyone, including yourself going by
, thinks he's a secret white supremacist.
Lastly, a lot of people regard Donald Trump as an Attention Whore, and will lash out at anything that threatens to usurp him in the public eye, which feeds into a big ego.
edited 2nd Jul '16 2:35:59 PM by sgamer82

If the KKK counts, David Duke has endorsed him, iirc. Trump also did not immediately disavow that endorsement, instead claiming he hardly knew David Duke enough to make that call.