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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#128326: Jun 30th 2016 at 3:37:25 PM

ALL of the VP candidates/prospects past and present have skeletons/baggage. Obama not having any baggage not tied to people being racist, is the exception, not the rule. Democrats got insanely fucking lucky with his nomination: charismatic, extremely intelligent, graduated from Harvard Law with Honors, black, quick-witted, fast learner for what he didn't know, had a campaign ground game that was almost decades ahead of its time, was part of the "establishment", AND on top of that, no matter how dig you deep, the man quite literally has no skeletons in his closet.

If he were a fictional character, I'd be rolling my eyes constantly.

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#128327: Jun 30th 2016 at 3:39:33 PM

I mean, like, commuting the sentence of a drug lord or something because one of the drug lord's relatives donated to him. Also, he did something like what Ted Cruz did with Ben Carson in Iowa.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#128328: Jun 30th 2016 at 3:42:21 PM

Random question but I remember awhile back I used to hear people going on about Obama letting his aunt and uncle live illegally in the US on welfare. Was there any spec of truth to any of that or was it as bullshit as it sounds?

edited 30th Jun '16 3:42:37 PM by LSBK

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#128329: Jun 30th 2016 at 3:45:09 PM

[up]That sounds very bullshit, since Obama is quite wealthy and could just loan them money to go use until they get a job.

Leviticus 19:34
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#128330: Jun 30th 2016 at 3:54:00 PM

Oh, and on Obama and racism, I remember it also used to be a thing (and probably still is) that Michelle Obama is a black nationalist or something because she wrote some stuff in college or something stupid.

Again, most likely nothing of substance, but it was a thing. Anyone know the narrative on that?

edited 30th Jun '16 5:30:32 PM by LSBK

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#128331: Jun 30th 2016 at 3:54:07 PM

We talking about this story, I believe.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#128332: Jun 30th 2016 at 5:26:33 PM

Yeah. See, the fact that people are imagining shit like that and trying to build it into baggage is a sign of just how unspeakably clean Obama was as a candidate. He was nearly impossible to attack without tapping into racism and pissing off everyone not in the Angry White demographic.

Any bets on whether McCain will endorse Clinton?

edited 30th Jun '16 5:27:18 PM by Ramidel

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#128333: Jun 30th 2016 at 5:30:46 PM

[up] Mc Cain would might as well start moving out of his office the day after, if he endorsed Clinton.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#128335: Jun 30th 2016 at 5:42:51 PM

The thing with Hillary is that she's been the GOP's arch-enemy for some time now. More over, if you're a Republican politician, Trump could be your future boss. This means that, if you're a Republican, the incentives are stacked really highly against you if you want to support Hillary. If Hillary wins, the GOP will punish you for it, and you'll be known as a traitor who let Hillary win (you'll naturally lose a lot of voters). If Trump wins...even worse, because in addition to that all your sacrifices are for nothing and you've betrayed the most powerful man on Earth.

The best bet for a moderate Republican candidate would be to put on their best stepford smile and hope privately that Hillary wins. If Hillary wins-that's all good. She wasn't expecting your help in the first place anyways and nobody will think you're some kind of Benedict Arnold. If Trump wins...that's less good, but at least you're in the party's good graces.

edited 30th Jun '16 5:45:30 PM by Protagonist506

Leviticus 19:34
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#128336: Jun 30th 2016 at 6:03:53 PM

The idea of a vindictive Trump should scare anyone. Why the media isn't scrambling to discredit him 24/7 instead of the horse race narrative for ratings, I'll never understand.

The man's made no secret that he despises the "Dishonest media" and you don't think with a puppet AG he wouldn't order him to pull out some obscure laws to start prosecutions?

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#128338: Jun 30th 2016 at 6:15:42 PM

[up][up] It's because covering Trump and making what should be a landslide victory for Clinton into an epic nailbiter makes them lots of money. Hopefully it won't end up working out like Brexit.

edited 30th Jun '16 6:19:36 PM by CaptainCapsase

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#128339: Jun 30th 2016 at 6:49:38 PM

Adding to the Trump VP thing, The top 2 VP choices for Trump are apparently Chris Christie or Newt Gingrich

So we have:

A) A thug governor of one of the most crooked states in the nation, who is under investigation for closing a bridge for political reasons.

B) A maniac who wants a moon base 51st state, and is responsible for the destruction of Congress as a functional organ of government.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#128340: Jun 30th 2016 at 6:57:56 PM

Is NJ really that corrupt?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#128341: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:01:00 PM

From what I understand yeah.

Like the Democractic Party there is one of the most corrupt versions of the party in the nation, with a lot of old style bosses and power networks.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#128342: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:07:45 PM

That's what makes me nervous at the idea of Booker being the nominee in 2024. No doubt there's some skeletons there.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#128343: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:11:34 PM

Nah. Booker's skeletons are more with Wall Street.

Which apparently is evil incarnate this election, so that's an immediate no go.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128344: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:29:30 PM

[up]x5 Makes perfect sense to me.tongue

edited 30th Jun '16 7:29:50 PM by kkhohoho

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#128345: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:29:49 PM

[up][up] The size of the financial sector relative to the rest of the economy is ballooning out of control in the first world. That's a serious, seriously problem.

edited 30th Jun '16 7:30:05 PM by CaptainCapsase

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#128346: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:34:25 PM

It's not. The finance industry is big by necessity.

If the US economy were the Sol System, the World Economy is the freaking Orion Arm.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#128347: Jun 30th 2016 at 7:38:56 PM

[up] Everything is relative; at its current point, even many mainstream economists are beginning to question whether financial markets in their current state are in fact a net benefit to society.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#128348: Jun 30th 2016 at 8:00:32 PM

And many people still hold resentment to the 2008 financial crash. That debacle ruined a lot of people's lives, that many haven't recovered from.

People in general across the globe think Wall Street and its international counterparts are too big, too out of control, and too dangerous to be allowed to exist. And Wall Street is the most obvious example of blatant economic inequality.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#128349: Jun 30th 2016 at 8:28:47 PM

If Trump wins...even worse, because in addition to that all your sacrifices are for nothing and you've betrayed the most powerful man on Earth.

I read that and this soundtrack came to mind:

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#128350: Jul 1st 2016 at 3:22:01 AM

It's being reported that the bill to fund the creation of a zika vaccine has failed after republicans amended it to include bullshit like cuts the the clean water act, contraception restrictions, and the re-flying of confederate flags at military monuments.

edit- link

edited 1st Jul '16 3:24:00 AM by carbon-mantis


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