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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#128126: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:34:21 AM

[up][up] The house will likely remain GOP no matter what happens, and that's all the GOP needs.

[up] In spite of Trump's toxicity, recent polling seems to indicate he's likely going to lose by a sizable but not catastrophic margin; probably around 5% going by the aggregate of polling.

edited 29th Jun '16 8:35:40 AM by CaptainCapsase

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#128127: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:34:40 AM

We probably can't take the house, but we can put a sizable dent in the GOP majority.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#128128: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:36:45 AM

[up] And the GOP will then retake the senate and the house come midterm elections, putting us right back where we started, and ensuring the absurd gerrymandering stays in place.

Especially since another global recession is looming. Knowing that, the GOP will most likely block legislative efforts to preemptive my arrests the issue, banking on the bad economy to favor them over the incumbent party. Which it probably will as long as the majority of votes continue to be cast by Generation X and the Baby Boomers.

We're in a rather vicious political feedback loop right now, similar to the one that lead up to the American civil war, and the death knell of many other presidential democracies.

edited 29th Jun '16 8:43:49 AM by CaptainCapsase

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#128129: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:43:34 AM

@Silasw- That's the thing though. Yes, he's undoubtedly endorsed her in "all but name" and has indicate that he would support her and that (quite correctly to be sure) his supporters would as well.

However, since AFAIK every other second placer actually endorses the winner, "in all but name" seems like a deliberate slap in the face.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#128130: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:48:06 AM

[up] Sanders is a liberal socialist who toned down his rhetoric to the point where it's politically viable the the United States; while he voted with he democrats on 95% of the issues, I'd say he agrees far less with the de facto principles of the party (post 2008 neoliberalism) and their long term agenda.

edited 29th Jun '16 8:50:31 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#128131: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:50:42 AM

[up][up][up] The simple facts of the Obama and (hopefully) Clinton presidencies stand against that doomsaying.

Look, it's pretty basic. Throughout history, "opposition" groups uniformly preach the end of civilization (fire and brimstone, the rivers and seas boiling, cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria!) every time the consensus does not swing their way. They are wrong almost all of the time, except when they happen to get it right, whereupon they claim vindication, much as a broken clock is very proud of itself every 12 hours. (Worth noting: this applies to all parts of the political spectrum.)

Aside from the cosmic deadline of global warming (which is a serious threat, obviously), there is little new about our current political woes: fractured, often complacent progressives challenging entrenched business interests with reactionary right-wing forces blocking every attempt at fixing the system. Every now and then this reaches a crisis point, bad stuff happens, progress lurches forward, and then we go back to the status quo. There is nothing about our situation to suggest that the apocalypse waits around the corner, any more than it did the last dozen times this happened.

Heck, even climate change won't end civilization overnight; eventually reality will become too much for the deniers to ignore and we'll lurch toward a solution to that as well.

edited 29th Jun '16 8:53:01 AM by Fighteer

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#128133: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:55:48 AM

[up][up] What I'm talking about isn't the apocalypse, it's a potential political crisis. The truly apocalyptic crises aren't going to become apparent until midway through the 21st century.

[up] It replies in the sense that Sanders is perfectly right to be withholding an official endorsement. Clinton doesn't need it for one, and secondly the Democratic Party has no intention of actually following through with progressive reform unless profressives force them to do it.

edited 29th Jun '16 9:01:31 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#128134: Jun 29th 2016 at 9:00:26 AM

Not really. If you think that there's a crisis on the Democrats' side, you aren't really paying attention. There's certainly a looming catastrophe on the Republican side, but it's most likely going to resolve itself via the party shrinking badly as it sheds its more moderate members, then trying to reinvent itself over the next four years to remain relevant in Presidential politics.

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#128135: Jun 29th 2016 at 9:00:41 AM

The judge responsible for the infamous 3 month jail sentence for Brock Turner gave an immigrant from El Salvador a 3 year prison sentence for the same crime.

I can't say I'm surprised by this revelation.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#128136: Jun 29th 2016 at 9:00:57 AM

I think he's more talking about the Euro or China finally coming home to roost and causing an economic earthquake. At which point Americans typical vote in the incumbent party if things aren't fixed.

And Republicans will do nothing to help once Wall Street and co. start going under, or they'll do just *barely* enough to stop it, but allow mass shock-waves to continue and discredit the Democrats and Obama's legacy, and brush Trump under the rug.

As to the doomsaying on American Politics being unstable, that has been brought up before, in serious writing, and it does look like it's likely to continue, as long as the current economic anemia continues across the globe, brought on by Neo Liberalism. And Presidental Democracies that divorce the Executive from the Legislative are prone to the kind of political paralysis we've experienced since 2010.

edited 29th Jun '16 9:03:54 AM by PotatoesRock

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#128137: Jun 29th 2016 at 9:03:04 AM

[up] This was what I was talking about when I said looming recession, yes.

@Fighteer: If the GOP collapses, a schism within the democrats is inevitable unless the party stages a "soft" coup and turns the US into a de facto one party state by enacting legislation that would severely disadvantage any new opposition party.

Moreover, I would argue that the democrats do have a looming crisis: the total lack of any upcoming young party leaders who are even remotely palatable to younger Americans. Assuming military/low tech industrial interests defect to the democrats, that kind of arrangement is going to exasperate tensions within the party.

edited 29th Jun '16 9:24:04 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#128138: Jun 29th 2016 at 9:16:38 AM

You know, I always find it curious how, with the exact same humans, skills, material resources, and infrastructure, the world can grind to catastrophe due to money flow alone. It's almost like magic.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#128139: Jun 29th 2016 at 9:20:16 AM

Part of the issue is how bloated the financial industry has become. Don't get me wrong, there are indeed legitimate functions of the stock market, but it's absolute dominance in developed economies it has achieved over the course of the neoliberal era has brought things to the point where even serious, respected economists are questioning whether it truly provides greater benefits than it does costs.

In politicial news relevant to me personally, Zephyr Teachout won the primary for one of the congressional districts neighboring me. If that name sounds familiar, she attempted to primary Cuomo in 2014 and lost, unfortunately. She also endorsed and was endorsed by Bernie Sanders.

edited 29th Jun '16 9:37:18 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#128140: Jun 29th 2016 at 9:39:40 AM

[up] You won't find disagreement from me; the stock market has metastasized into a self-aggrandizing monstrosity that sucks in all the energy from the economy to no observable benefit.

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#128141: Jun 29th 2016 at 9:41:46 AM

Even still relatively speaking, stocks are trivial compared to the nitty gritty of what Wall Street does on any given day that keeps the global economy functioning

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#128142: Jun 29th 2016 at 9:43:26 AM

Such as?

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#128143: Jun 29th 2016 at 9:43:59 AM

Sometimes I wonder how much of the financial industry is simply a very complex Rube Goldberg device with no useful properties for the rest of the economy, though.

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#128144: Jun 29th 2016 at 9:57:06 AM

That's not really a question so much as it's reality.

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#128145: Jun 29th 2016 at 10:42:37 AM

Since we are talking about economic crisis, here is an interesting article from Bloomberg.

The article states that the Western World's middle classes are rejecting globalization and becoming more isolationist because they have seen no improvement in their incomes from globalization. Because of this stark rejection of globalization, immigration, and free markets and the results of the Brexit vote, Wall Street and the Banks are... well to put it simply, spooked beyond all belief! Spooked enough that some of Wall Street and the Banks are actually suggesting crazy things like wealth redistribution and a reinvention of capitalism to stem the tide of isolationist sentiment.

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#128146: Jun 29th 2016 at 10:52:10 AM

They always have to wait until the edge of the cliff to steer away, don't they.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#128147: Jun 29th 2016 at 10:55:20 AM

[up] Indeed. That said, I expect very little significant movement until at least two decades in the US. The GOP, I expect, will continue obstructing until they eventually lose enough of he government long enough for districts to be redrawn in a more "equitable" fashion (hahahahahahaha) and that means the democrats take their place as the Conservative party of the US and progressives schism off as a new left wing opposition party.

edited 29th Jun '16 11:02:39 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#128148: Jun 29th 2016 at 10:55:52 AM

However, since AFAIK every other second placer actually endorses the winner, "in all but name" seems like a deliberate slap in the face.

Sure and if he stick to it being in name only then yes, but my understanding is that he's expected to officially endorse her eventually after some bargaining.

[up]X3 Hope you guys apreciate the UK's selfless sacrifice to show the elites of the world that they need to improve. tongue

edited 29th Jun '16 10:56:36 AM by Silasw

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nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#128149: Jun 29th 2016 at 10:56:22 AM

[up][up][up]Just hope it's not too late and we end up diving over the cliff.

edited 29th Jun '16 10:56:30 AM by nightwyrm_zero

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#128150: Jun 29th 2016 at 10:59:10 AM

[up] We're already over the cliff when it comes to global warming. The question now is whether 2 billion or 10 billion people are going to die for our irresponsibility as a species.

edited 29th Jun '16 11:00:59 AM by CaptainCapsase


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