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#127951: Jun 27th 2016 at 11:59:49 PM

Thank God. That should hopefully save a lot of lives.

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#127952: Jun 28th 2016 at 12:04:07 AM

Why did Sotomayor dissent here?

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#127953: Jun 28th 2016 at 12:51:30 AM

Based on this Sotomayor's concern appears to be that the definition of "domestic abuse" is potentially too broad to be a justification for a lifetime gun ban - the definition could reasonably stretch to household incidents such as dropping a pot in someone's foot for example.

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#127954: Jun 28th 2016 at 2:32:13 AM

Sotomayor has a legitimate concern, I think, but only to a point - being forced to plead out to stupid accusations is a separate flaw in our system.

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#127955: Jun 28th 2016 at 3:50:44 AM

Trump: Texas would never secede if I'm president cause Texas loves me.

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#127957: Jun 28th 2016 at 3:58:51 AM

It's Trump. Professional clown and a sinister hate mongering one at that.

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#127958: Jun 28th 2016 at 6:29:59 AM

Texas will never secede because they will go from the second most powerful state to the least powerful state.

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#127959: Jun 28th 2016 at 6:56:24 AM

Never is a strong word

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#127960: Jun 28th 2016 at 7:11:33 AM

[up][up] They'll go from second most powerful state to not a state at all.

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#127961: Jun 28th 2016 at 7:28:18 AM

South Carolina , Virginia, Georgia and the like are still states, aren't they?

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#127963: Jun 28th 2016 at 7:54:37 AM

I think flameboy is implying that if Texas tried to declare independence the US military would go Lincoln on it. Again.

edited 28th Jun '16 7:55:12 AM by megarockman

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#127964: Jun 28th 2016 at 7:56:37 AM

Oh, you mean Civil War Part II? Yes, that would happen; Texas would not be allowed to leave quietly, and it would lose said war quite badly.

edited 28th Jun '16 7:56:49 AM by Fighteer

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#127965: Jun 28th 2016 at 7:57:15 AM

With the Second Amendment ruling, it upheld a Federal law stating that anyone convicted of domestic abuse is stripped of their right to own guns because of the risk of their using it to escalate a situation. And given how many stories pop up of guys getting a gun through person-to-person sales and then using it to kill the person they'd abused, I can't say I disagree with the intent.

That said, Sotomayor brings up a valid point regarding how broad the language is - Thomas, however, does not by taking the Slippery Slope Fallacy to new heights and postulating that someone who injured a family member while texting and driving could get stripped of their gun ownership rights. I can't recall ever hearing of someone getting charged with domestic violence due to a fucking car accident, unless they willfully ran over someone.

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#127966: Jun 28th 2016 at 7:59:04 AM

Yeah, the reading of a domestic violence conviction is being done so broadly there that it loses all meaning. When was the last time anyone was convicted of domestic abuse as the result of a car accident?

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#127967: Jun 28th 2016 at 8:01:59 AM

Well, is there a breakdown on what kind of domestic violence accusations are bogus and which aren't? I know police and prosecutors sometimes abuse the discretion that broadly defined criminal statutes have, but with the exception of police shootings AOC matters are the only ones where I am partially familiar with the data.

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#127968: Jun 28th 2016 at 8:05:23 AM

Oh, you mean Civil War Part II? Yes, that would happen; Texas would not be allowed to leave quietly, and it would lose said war quite badly.

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#127969: Jun 28th 2016 at 8:07:28 AM

It requires a conviction right? And an intentionally hostile act inflicted on spouse or family member right?

The Supreme Court probably should have set rules or recommended that congress define exactly what DV is.

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#127970: Jun 28th 2016 at 8:10:30 AM

It's not within Congress's authority. State level stuff this is.

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#127971: Jun 28th 2016 at 8:15:03 AM

Bad jokes aside, I support SCOTUS's decision on this. I know the Second Amendment is sacred to a lot of people, but it really is out of control. Denying firearms to domestic abusers seems like a no-brainer.

This is a victory for everyone except people who think murdering your spouse is a God-given right.

Just one question: is it that domestic abusers cannot purchase firearms or that they cannot own them? Because there's a difference and if it's the latter, I'm curious about what happens if a domestic abuser already has a gun.

edited 28th Jun '16 8:15:48 AM by TobiasDrake

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#127972: Jun 28th 2016 at 8:24:55 AM

@Tobias: Our national polarization is not simply defined at the state level; Texas has a minority Democratic voter base, but it's in the 45% range, not the 5% range. There is no way that a state referendum on secession could succeed in that environment, and even if it did, there would be no stomach for war among a vast portion of its populace. You'd have some yahoos with guns wandering around shooting at the Feds; the army would squash them, and that would be that. To fight a war for secession, Texas would need an army — its own army, not the U.S. military and/or the National Guard. Where's it going to get one?

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#127973: Jun 28th 2016 at 8:47:14 AM

From misplaced confidence in the Second Amendment. The people pushing for secession are cut from the same cloth as the people who all but worship the American Revolution and honestly believe that, in this age of modern warfare, their gun rack would even make a dent in the United States Army.

edited 28th Jun '16 8:47:51 AM by TobiasDrake

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#127974: Jun 28th 2016 at 8:50:15 AM

And that band of militant gun nuts would be shredded in a matter of days. It wouldn't even be a contest.

edited 28th Jun '16 8:50:27 AM by Fighteer

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#127975: Jun 28th 2016 at 8:54:53 AM

It's especially distressing when these people are veterans who know first-hand how good (or bad) the US military is at asymmetric warfare.

But what if part of the military sides with them? The Secession War happened partly because a disproportionate number of officers were Southern.

Also, again, I don't get why DC can't be a state unto itself. Plenty of capitals have their own administrative zones where the national legislative or executive do not decide how the city is run. Freestate Amsterdam. The Land of Brelin. The Comunidad of Madrid. The Îlde de France Region. The City of Lonfon Corporation.

If it can't be a State and needs to remain a Special Snowflake, it still doesn't seem like it would cost much to make it self-governed rather than relying on Congress.

edited 28th Jun '16 8:59:14 AM by TheHandle

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