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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#127701: Jun 24th 2016 at 5:32:27 PM

But "I told you so!" smugness is invaluable.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#127702: Jun 24th 2016 at 5:53:44 PM

Some people will flatly refuse to believe you, if you tell them the stove is hot. So you just have to let them get burned...

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#127703: Jun 24th 2016 at 7:50:53 PM

Ramidel, no. NO. Stop saying things like that. First off, Texas can't legally secede, I've already pointed that out. Second, if you feel compelled to apologize for something then you probably shouldn't say it. THIRD, the "secessionists" aren't even a significant minority of the population. The vast majority of Texans are fine being part of the United States, regardless of how they may complain about the federal government. We're not going to have a referendum on secession, because that's not how the US government works. Congress WOULDN'T give it to them, because that's a huge fucking headache none of them want to deal with. I'm having to restrain myself from stronger language here.

I fucking hate it that every time secession comes up people want to just shit on Texas or some other southern state, and treat the whole idea of secession as if it has significant support. It doesn't.

Yes, it's part of a highly racist part of the country, and they've done some worrisome stuff. But most people generally aren't into the whole secession thing because there's not exactly a compelling reason to do so. Sovereign citizens and the like are a minority with an outsized reputation and volume.

@Protag: While I do believe my state could make a go of it, we'd still be far weaker than we are as part of the United States. We don't contain all of NASA; important parts are over in Florida. We also have the advantage of our own power grid, but also the conservatism is stupidly strong here, in the sense that Republicans have an unhealthy strangehold and are frequently trying to defund education. (Also, small towns can't do their own zoning. Yay for hypocrisy.)

So yeah, we can survive on our own. But that doesn't mean we'll thrive.

edited 24th Jun '16 7:57:17 PM by AceofSpades

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#127704: Jun 24th 2016 at 10:50:17 PM

Democrats adopt $15 minimum wage in platform draft.

Democrats voted down an amendment to the party's platform that would have opposed the TPP trade deal, avoiding an awkward scenario that would have put its statement of values at odds with President Obama.

edited 24th Jun '16 10:54:21 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#127705: Jun 24th 2016 at 11:39:54 PM

Forgive me for asking a question that is full of cynicism, but it's in my system right, so I'll it: If the Holocaust is what it took to reduce anti-semitism to at least stereotypes that are thankfully double-edged, then what will it take to reduce racism against anyone who isn't white to double-edged stereotypes for the US?

desdendelle Hooded Crow from Land of Milk and Honey (Sergeant) Relationship Status: Hiding
Hooded Crow
#127706: Jun 24th 2016 at 11:58:19 PM

Antisemitism is alive and well, it just relocated to places like the Palestinian Authority.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#127707: Jun 25th 2016 at 12:11:37 AM

Plenty of people on the left who should know better are propagating anti-Semitism as it is.

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#127708: Jun 25th 2016 at 12:14:04 AM

[up][up] and [up] And we fear African-Americans and Americans of Middle Eastern descent instead of fearing of Jews getting lynched like how it was pre-World War II?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#127709: Jun 25th 2016 at 12:23:01 AM

Unlikely seeing as rightwingers are actually interested in courting the more bigoted sectors of the Jewish demographic as uneasy bedfellows against the former (whom they have an unconditional hate for).

Stormtroper from Little Venice Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#127711: Jun 25th 2016 at 4:47:45 AM

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#127712: Jun 25th 2016 at 5:03:28 AM

Gee, he's a political zombie by this point.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#127713: Jun 25th 2016 at 5:07:41 AM

Have you even bothered to watch the video?

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#127714: Jun 25th 2016 at 5:12:57 AM

I can't watch videos, what'd he do?

Oh really when?
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#127715: Jun 25th 2016 at 5:39:57 AM

He's reaffirmed what he said he was going to do: fight all the way to the convention in order to secure a "strong" (read, leftward) democratic platform for the general election. He is dedicated to defeating Trump in as overwhelming a way as possible, and he seems to believe a leftward platform would guarantee Hillary more votes. He's not endorsing Hillary yet, as part of that leverage he's seeking. He was very polite about it and not shrill at all. Also, Colbert asked him what he had to say to any Sanderists who would vote Trump: "nothing, my supporters are smart enough not to vote for a bigot."

Certainly, for a "political zombie", he's got much to say and much to do yet, and his movement is a fair bit more precise and momentous than a "shamble".

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#127716: Jun 25th 2016 at 6:25:58 AM

I watched his whole appearance. He's still a broken record, repeating the same things ad nauseam. Not that that's a terrible thing necessarily, but it does turn me off a bit. He's clearly fighting for his principles to have a place in the Democratic platform, which I can at least respect, and he told his supporters not to vote for Trump, which is good. So, basically standard Bernie.

edited 25th Jun '16 6:26:04 AM by Fighteer

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#127717: Jun 25th 2016 at 6:31:15 AM

Repeating the same things over and over is a tactically useful tool, psychologically, as people remember them. So it's not enttirely a bad idea if you're trying to make key points and hammer them into people's heads for the long run.

The exodus continues: Yet another top Bushie, Henry Paulson, backs Clinton over Trump

(Former CEO of Goldman Sachs)

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#127718: Jun 25th 2016 at 6:46:26 AM

I must wonder if it's actually good for Clinton to be endorsed by so many Bush Republicans, I mean it does kind of cement her as a centrist establishment darling, an image that's potentially going to be ballot box poison come november.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#127719: Jun 25th 2016 at 6:51:07 AM

Her being a centrist is exactly why I want to vote for her.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#127720: Jun 25th 2016 at 7:01:33 AM

[up]Ditto. If the goal is to defeat Trump, gathering more moderate votes would be to her benefit. The leftist votes she might possibly lose by moving toward the center come from a very small fringe element, and losing them probably wouldn't make that much of a difference.

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Lost in Space
#127721: Jun 25th 2016 at 7:02:24 AM

The "leftist fringe" generally prides itself in not voting for mainstream candidates, and thereby renders itself impotent in politics.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#127722: Jun 25th 2016 at 7:02:48 AM

Sure, all those Sanders votes are a tiny fringe element that doesn't matter.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#127723: Jun 25th 2016 at 7:03:49 AM

No, but most of them will vote for Hillary, so they aren't who we're talking about. Those who won't...

edited 25th Jun '16 7:04:40 AM by Fighteer

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#127724: Jun 25th 2016 at 7:05:10 AM

What bothers me about this is that Bernie lost. Why the hell is he trying to get Clinton to adopt his platform? If they wanted his platform, he would have won.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#127725: Jun 25th 2016 at 7:12:09 AM

Not necessarily. Rejecting a candidate just means you reject that particular combination of policies. Certain ideas (regardless of objective merit) might be popular with the public, just not enough to overtake the things they didn't like (in my case, his foreign policy). Therefore, its not completely unreasonable for the victor to take one or two of their former rival's positions.

Not unreasonable that they don't do it though as well.


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