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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#127601: Jun 23rd 2016 at 9:40:28 PM

Presumably to give the rest of the EU some time to try and convince the dissenting member not to leave. Is this vote in fact legally binding? I've heard it referred to as a referendum and I'm a bit confused.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#127602: Jun 23rd 2016 at 9:41:21 PM

Technically no, the UK government has no legal requirement to listen to it. At all.

But the throw it out would be political suicide and given who most of the Leave voters are would probably lead to violence.

Oh really when?
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#127603: Jun 23rd 2016 at 9:42:07 PM

I think it is, but perhaps this should be brought to the British politics thread. The folks in there are panicking, they need all the support they can get.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#127604: Jun 23rd 2016 at 9:42:58 PM

Hmm... wonder if there will be a push by politicians supporting "stay" to elaborate on the reasons that the EU is good for them.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#127605: Jun 23rd 2016 at 9:44:04 PM

They already have, the Leave voters are largely UKIP type people. Reality proof and ultranationalists. Lots of racial motivation and hatred.

No amount of reasoning will change their minds. This was the result of an old fashioned neo nazi movement overtaking England.

edited 23rd Jun '16 9:44:27 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#127606: Jun 23rd 2016 at 9:44:23 PM

[up][up][up]I thought it was said that we should keep the US/Trump implications of the Leave vote in this thread?

edited 23rd Jun '16 9:44:37 PM by Rationalinsanity

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#127607: Jun 23rd 2016 at 9:45:37 PM

I took that here, but it morphed into the effect it'll have on the economy and the two year waiting thing going on.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#127608: Jun 24th 2016 at 1:52:36 AM

So with the British economy now in complete shambles for the next few months, it's only a matter of time before the wave it hits the US. Trump might actually win if it hits hard before the election then it gets worse.

This is so freaken scary.

edited 24th Jun '16 1:56:55 AM by Memers

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#127609: Jun 24th 2016 at 2:09:31 AM

The serious effects won't start hitting until we have our exit agreement worked out, that should take long enough for you guys to elect Clinton before the shockwave hits you.

That and the shambles we're already becoming might serve as a warning to some of the US electorate about what happen when you vote for popularist racism.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#127610: Jun 24th 2016 at 2:13:19 AM

I wish I was as optimistic as you are, it's only going to get worse here, holy shit this is bad for everyone. Except for Russia and the terrorists, they win BIG.

There is stupid and then there is this.

Times like this ya wish the queen could/would put her foot down and say hell no.

edited 24th Jun '16 2:32:31 AM by Memers

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#127611: Jun 24th 2016 at 3:04:17 AM

[up] In the long term the US also can potentially win big geopolitically. since a UK outside of the EU is basically regelated to an American client state. Which is not a good thing for the people of the U.K. That's contingent on the economic fallout being handled well however.

edited 24th Jun '16 3:06:45 AM by CaptainCapsase

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#127613: Jun 24th 2016 at 3:09:22 AM

[up] This isn't something that would be a net gain to the world, and it would certainly harm the UK a great deal, but if Brexit actually goes through the UK becomes much, much more dependent on the US.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#127614: Jun 24th 2016 at 3:20:14 AM

[up]Dependent on the US, yeah, right... when most of our trade and everything is still with Europe? We might have buggered that up, but... I don't think the US is even interested in helping us out of the rut we've stuck ourselves in. Our market isn't that big. And, we're not a foothold to the EU if we exit it (this is still only the very first step in the process — I, for one, have got my fingers crossed that it derails itself).

Nah: Britain will probably try reaching out to the Commonwealth more under both the WTO and internal aegis. Watch the banana skins, though... tongue

Whatever happens, we've buggered our own international position up right royally. David Cameron, ladies and gents: this was supposed to be his moment of triumph as he proved how statesmanlike he could be in the face of internal party spats. See the international fallout because one wanker had to prove how tone-deaf he was... -_-

Don't make the same mistake.

edited 24th Jun '16 3:24:18 AM by Euodiachloris

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#127615: Jun 24th 2016 at 3:34:29 AM

[up] Even outside the EU the UK is the fifth largest economy in the world. Moreover, all of the major commonwealth nations (besides India which doesn't really count) are firmly aligned with the US; Canada for obvious reasons, and Australis and South Affica because of the US's control of maritime shipping lanes, which Is particularly crucial for the wellbeing of the Australian economy.

This is really a find mess the country has gotten itself into.

edited 24th Jun '16 3:36:49 AM by CaptainCapsase

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#127616: Jun 24th 2016 at 3:37:49 AM

[up]"Firmly aligned with the US"... speaks volumes about how you see the world, mate.

I don't think most of people in the countries in various relationships with the US quite see it that way. <_<

You might affect us a lot, but you're not our leader. And, we affect you... just as much, often enough. That's what having a common interest is: constantly shifting give-and-take which can break down at any time.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#127617: Jun 24th 2016 at 3:40:06 AM

My country is a Commonwealth member, and I'm fairly certain its relationship with the US cannot be defined as "strongly aligned"

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#127618: Jun 24th 2016 at 3:49:05 AM

[up] If it's Australia you'd be surprised; in geopolitical terms, the relationship between Australia and the US is basically that of the pre-WW 2 UK and Australia, wherein the Aussies provided troops for British conflicts completely irrelevant to Australian interests due to the need to provide something of value to the UK in exhange for a guarantee that the maritime trade that the country's economy depends on will not be disrupted.

edited 24th Jun '16 3:53:51 AM by CaptainCapsase

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#127619: Jun 24th 2016 at 3:55:02 AM

[up]Stop... just... stop. It's painful to watch. >_<

Look, people work with the US because that's realpolitik and it's dumb not to. But, making more out of it than it is doesn't do you or us any favours. Sure, the UK and the US rub along fairly well, all told. But, that doesn't make us more than mates. And, it certainly doesn't make us the 51 State, nor willing to be it.

Nor does it make any other nation on Earth more interested in being more than just ones you get along with. For now. Things change. <shrugs> And, welcome to change. It's likely to screw everything up until people work out how to deal with the steaming mess. However it gets dealt with.

But, I very much doubt the people who just voted to leave the EU are all that interested in getting into close ties with the US. They're pretty xenophobic. -_-

edited 24th Jun '16 3:56:55 AM by Euodiachloris

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#127620: Jun 24th 2016 at 4:09:28 AM

[up] No, they're also anti-TTIP as well, and not very pro-American.

edited 24th Jun '16 4:09:42 AM by Greenmantle

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#127621: Jun 24th 2016 at 4:14:27 AM

Welp, woke up to a nice panic attack @_@

How will Brexit affect America?

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#127622: Jun 24th 2016 at 4:15:04 AM

Nobody knows.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#127624: Jun 24th 2016 at 4:26:12 AM

Ah, the Republican Presidential Campaign as Business Deal Food continues to work for the Grifters.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#127625: Jun 24th 2016 at 4:52:07 AM

Euod: The thrust of geopolitics is the notion that leaders have far fewer options available to them than what intuition would suggest; for Australia there was no reasonable alternative other than a vassal relationship (before you call hyperbole, Australia literally provides manpower to fight in American wars, just as they did for the UK in exchange for a guarantee of protection for its trade interests) with the UK and later the US, since without a major power to guarante the flow of maritime trade through Australia, the nation's economy would be crippled. As it cannot hope to maintain sufficient naval power to police these routes itself, Australia thus chooses to align with a great power, offering up its own manpower for the power's wars in payment for the arrangement.

If British leaders are prudent, they'll manage to avoid Brexit going through in the first place, but if it actually comes to pass, the US is going to gain a great deal more influence in the UK simply by virtue of the relative power of the two countries; aligning with the EU was Britain's first and best choice for assuring its prosperity, and by burning that bridge, the people pushing for Brexit are going to be faced with a choice of economic collapse and aligning with a major power, and the US is the only logical choice in that department; neither Russia nor China can project power effectively into the regions where British interests lie. Rejoining the EU would still be the logical choice, and hopefully that reality would eventually overcome the xenophobia of the anti-EU coalition if it comes to that:

edited 24th Jun '16 5:02:26 AM by CaptainCapsase


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