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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#126601: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:17:34 AM
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Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#126602: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:18:17 AM

[up]X6 Kind of a different situation man, you already live in a place that isn't horrible.

edited 16th Jun '16 10:18:57 AM by LSBK

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#126603: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:19:54 AM

It's all about culture clash, latinamerican parents tend to physical punishment a lot. I remember my aunt dried up a myrtle taking branches off it to hit me, I am a better person for it, poor tree though.

Perian Since: Jun, 2016
#126604: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:22:13 AM

It would be nice if Clintonists didn't mock and deride Sanderists at every opportunity. The spite isn't so much at Sanders losing, but rather at the condescending treatment from the Clinton side. It's kind of like this thing where Democrats are said to feel entitled to the black vote because they give blacks the occasional cookie whereas the GOP slaps them in the face, but some people feel very sour that they are taken for granted, and guilted and shamed into voting for one smug "lesser evil" after another. Seriously, you need to stop that.

[awesome]

Somehow people think scaring people into voting for someone, being condescending to them, or resorting to name-calling is a good tactic for winning voters. I assume that most Democrats are progressives (or at least the ones around here), so maybe it's a good idea to reach out to the Sanders camp and listen to their concerns, instead of continuing the 'head in the sands' attitude?

Note: I am the first to admit that the opposite is also the case with the Sanders camp. And I think it's sad that American politics have become so polarized that even within the same party the two opposite sides refuse to listen to each other.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#126605: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:24:41 AM

Speaking just for myself, anytime I gripe about Sanders supporters, it's a group of people I know irl who genuinely think Clinton is just as bad as Trump. I'm not bashing people here, just being annoyed by the Bernie Or Bust crowd. I used to support Sanders until just before the California primary.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#126606: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:25:06 AM
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Oh really when?
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#126607: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:27:04 AM

You try talking down a child giving a tantrum and that starts screaming and kicking everyone and everything that gets close to it and see how well it goes.

But there is a difference between giving a slap to knock a child out of terrible behavior and beating them as a punishment.

Inter arma enim silent leges
vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#126608: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:28:52 AM

Hahahaha, disgusting, pffft.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#126609: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:29:27 AM

[up][up][up]Corporal punishment is hardly just a Southern thing, but otherwise I tend to agree.

edited 16th Jun '16 10:29:53 AM by LSBK

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#126610: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:31:28 AM

It is disgusting. It's fucking child abuse. Who to hell takes their child out and forces them to choose what sorta instrument you use to beat them with?

That you think that's even remotely acceptable pretty much proves that you didn't come out "a better person for it".

edited 16th Jun '16 10:34:37 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#126611: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:32:24 AM

Yeah, it's disgusting. This isn't a simple spanking or a quick slap to get them to knock it off. And I'm not much of a fan of those either.

Physically assaulting your child with a makeshift weapon? Like, that's not disgusting? The hell, dude.

Shadow?
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#126612: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:33:41 AM

Are we talking about giving a slap on the wrist or the thigh or using a belt, shoe or wood spoon to beat the child? There is a quite big difference there.

edited 16th Jun '16 10:35:02 AM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#126613: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:37:09 AM
Thumped: This post was thumped by the Stick of Off-Topic Thumping. Stay on topic, please.
Shadow?
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#126614: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:38:30 AM

@Angelus Nox

shame for all those people who needed one and didn't have one, it is not like the US had more self defense cases with a firearm that it does have gun deaths, including suicides totaling 235,700 cases in a 4 year period.

Besides I am not American, I live in a shithole where guns are practically banned but still roam around in the hand of criminals and I've been in situations where I've had to resort to self defense.

I know you're not American anymore than I am. I'm also aware of how terrible the place you live is, because I've seen you talk about it in quite a few threads. Problem is the USA isn't your home. It's not that terrible. And the kinds of guns we're talking about do a lot more harm than good in the US.

You can post all the stats you want about the number of Americans who defend themselves with guns every day. It's irrelevant to the conversation because we're not talking about banning all guns. My comments, which are the ones you are responding to, had to do with banning thirty-round mags on semi-automatic rifles. Unless you live in fear of hordes of zombies descending upon you, you don't need one of those to defend your home.

You can defend your home with a handgun. You can defend your home with a shotgun. You can defend your home with a rifle. Nobody is trying to take those rights away from anybody. Indeed, the only right I'm currently looking to take away from Americans is their "right" to walk into a club, shoot fifty people, and only have to reload a couple of times. How oppressive of me.

Sorry but not everyone lives in plushyland where everyone is polite and crime is unheard off.

There's a strawman if I ever heard one. Particularly given that I spent the better part of the last two years living in a building that could charitably be described as one step removed from a crack house. We had the police over several times a week. We had mentally ill people and drug addicts roaming the halls. We had people try to break in while I stood behind the door with a meat cleaver waiting to see if they'd succeed in breaking it down. We had to Febreeze the hall every day to try and lower the reek of marijuana. And yet I've never felt the need to buy the kind of rifle that was used in Orlando—good thing too since I'd wind up in jail.

Besides I enjoy shooting firearms and I enjoy having the option to defend myself.

How amazing. I too like guns. My whole family, barring my mother, like guns. Did you miss the post wherein I described the arsenal my father used to keep in our basement? 150 guns. We could have armed the neighbourhood.

I'm also glad we have the option to defend ourselves. This might come as a surprise to you, but strict gun control laws in no way, shape or form impact our ability to do so. Since, once again, being limited to a five round mag and having get a license and register the gun don't stop us from defending ourselves. Imagine that.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#126615: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:42:22 AM
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Inter arma enim silent leges
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#126616: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:43:00 AM

Just want people to know we have a Parenting thread, where I think the discussion about physically punishing children better belongs

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#126617: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:43:46 AM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#126618: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:44:38 AM

Well you're just proving my point further.

Oh really when?
vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#126619: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:45:24 AM

That you are a manichean zealot, be my guest.

edited 16th Jun '16 10:46:42 AM by vandro

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#126620: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:47:13 AM

Can we not insult people on here, please?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#126621: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:48:24 AM

The spanking discussion belongs in Xopher's thread, not here. And I am wondering whether the gun rights discussion is going anywhere but in circles.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#126622: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:50:25 AM

Edited due to mods requesting parenting stuff go to that thread.

@Angelus Nox

Yes, one of the deadliest spree killings was done with a handgun. He still killed fewer people than the guy in Oregon. Nobody thinks banning those weapons will stop spree killers from existing. We think it will lower the bodycount, and you've got no real way to prove it wouldn't. Every second you spend reloading is a second in which you aren't shooting people. If even one person makes it out of there while you reload, than the law has done its job.

Where I live rifles are limited to five round mags, handguns to ten. We still have our crazy spree shooters. They tend to ratchet up a much lower bodycount.

Finally, no, gun control doesn't make me less safe on the street because while I won't have a gun, I can be fairly certain that nobody else does either. Not to mention, of course, that if the guy trying to mug me is armed, my gun isn't going to do me a lot of good.

edited 16th Jun '16 10:55:48 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#126623: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:51:14 AM

Not voting for Clinton is the same thing as voting Trump in swing states.

By the same logic not voting for Trump is the same thing as voting for Clinton.

I've never understood the logic behind "Not voting for X is the same as voting for Y". Especially if you're not voting for Y either, since then your vote equates to exactly 0 either way. The only way that logic works at all to my mind is of your were formerly committed to voting X and then change your mind (such as a poster (I thought it was CaptainCapsase but have since been corrected) being perviously committed to voting conservative then deciding they couldn't support Trump).

I won't fault anyone for voting as their conscience dictates. Even if it's a dumb way to vote. In the end, if they had no intention of voting for Clinton whatever happened then their vote changes nothing that wasn't going to happen anyway.

Perhaps an odd place to draw a quote from, but I remember Jesse Ventura once said "the only wasted vote is the one that's never cast".

edited 16th Jun '16 1:06:42 PM by sgamer82

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#126625: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:52:36 AM

@Septimus: To answer your question, "in circles" is what you get when you have actual disagreement instead of an echo chamber. Multiple debating positions presenting their own evidence without anyone necessarily backing down.


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