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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#126576: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:14:39 AM

[up][up] Remember that at the time, no one had any inkling that Bernie would take off like he did. It was fair to work on the assumption that she would get the nomination in a cakewalk. If this was sent in, say, February of this year, that would make me raise an eyebrow.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#126577: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:24:57 AM

@Angelus Knox

Shame for everyone who's been shot with the legal one too. But hey, I wouldn't want to get in the way of your gun collection or anything.

Seriously this is an attitude I just don't get. You can have a weapons' collection and an extensive one at that, that doesn't include a semi-auto rifle with a magazine of that size.

edited 16th Jun '16 9:34:25 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#126578: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:36:35 AM

[up][up] Which is in stark contrast with recent attempts to portray this particular primary as business as usual, rather than a major warning sign for the democrats.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#126579: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:38:45 AM

[up] Hardly. If you want controversial coronation politics, look no further than 2008, when it failed. This was a cakewalk for Clinton by comparison.

Seriously, anyone who imagines that this primary represents some kind of break in Democratic politics that shows the corruption of the insider system and how we're about to undergo a revolution driven by the progressive populist wing has a ridiculously short memory.

edited 16th Jun '16 9:40:16 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#126580: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:40:24 AM

To break from the inane and unproductive gun debate, a news digest. Topics are whether Trump or Hillary receive more credit for handling terrorism issues and also Sanders voters.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#126581: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:40:36 AM

So, what does this mean? Will this be held up against Clinton and the DNC?

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#126582: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:41:38 AM

[up] I'm sure Fox News will try to make something of it, but when don't they? Maybe Trump will run his mouth, but when doesn't he? Calm yourself.

edited 16th Jun '16 9:41:55 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#126583: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:42:29 AM

Also, this was with the media. Television, maybe radio, etc.

Bernie was hinging on the youth vote, and they aren't likely to watch CNN or listen to radio shows. They're going to go online and spread the word there, which they did. Had Hillary not been supported on tv as much, the results wouldn't have changed too drastically. Older adults aren't interested in a "political revolution" and his message would have fallen flat on it's face.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#126584: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:43:55 AM

@Fighteer: In 2008, both of the major candidates were party princelings, and while Obama got flak from the party brass at the time for cutting his place in line, Sanders place in this election was more that of Howard Dean, the token left-wing candidate expected to get 5% of the vote in Iowa and drop out.

edited 16th Jun '16 9:44:56 AM by CaptainCapsase

Perian Since: Jun, 2016
#126585: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:44:28 AM

Besides the fact that I Love Dogs may have a point, this being relatively early in the primary season, I found this part especially interesting:

specific hits to muddy the waters around ethics, transparency, and campaign finance attacks on HRC
I wonder why they should mention these issues in particular?

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#126586: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:45:35 AM

[up][up] I'll tell you what I would tell anyone: you are free to believe what you want, but if you vote for Trump out of spite, you are not any kind of progressive, and if Clinton loses because people stayed home, you have only yourself to blame.

[up] Because the idea exists that using the establishment finance system makes you a corrupt tool of said system, and that affects votes. Duh.

edited 16th Jun '16 9:46:43 AM by Fighteer

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#126587: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:45:55 AM

@Fighteer: I AM calm. I've stopped being quite so hysterical. I just always want to know what's coming.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#126588: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:46:33 AM

[up][up] I have said numerous times that I am not voting for Trump. As for my other point, the democrats are free to ignore the way the wind is blowing among younger voters, but they'll be in the same boat as the GOP twenty years down the line when their voting base is in danger of collapsing.

edited 16th Jun '16 9:51:57 AM by CaptainCapsase

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#126590: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:48:51 AM

Yup. Just saw a FOX News anchor say she supports us taking measures to stop this from happening again. Something about "we can have our second amendment right, and still have common sense"

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#126591: Jun 16th 2016 at 9:57:10 AM

Not voting for Clinton is the same thing as voting Trump in swing states. Refusing to vote for her on principle means those voters really don't care about minorities, peace, income inequality, LGBT people, immigrants and the global economy.

Anyone who won't vote for Clinton never truly believed in Sanders message. Being a democratic socialist and accepting Trump in the White House are mutually exclusive.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#126592: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:04:43 AM

It would be nice if Clintonists didn't mock and deride Sanderists at every opportunity. The spite isn't so much at Sanders losing, but rather at the condescending treatment from the Clinton side. It's kind of like this thing where Democrats are said to feel entitled to the black vote because they give blacks the occasional cookie whereas the GOP slaps them in the face, but some people feel very sour that they are taken for granted, and guilted and shamed into voting for one smug "lesser evil" after another.

Seriously, you need to stop that.

Because the idea exists that using the establishment finance system makes you a corrupt tool of said system, and that affects votes. Duh.

Why say "muddy the waters" rather than something like "address the voters' concerns" or "clarify our position" or "establish our moral high ground"?

edited 16th Jun '16 10:08:00 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#126593: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:07:21 AM

@Ambar Sonof Deshar shame for all those people who needed one and didn't have one, it is not like the US had more self defense cases with a firearm that it does have gun deaths, including suicides totaling 235,700 cases in a 4 year period.

Besides I am not American, I live in a shithole where guns are practically banned but still roam around in the hand of criminals and I've been in situations where I've had to resort to self defense. Besides I enjoy shooting firearms and I enjoy having the option to defend myself. Sorry but not everyone lives in plushyland where everyone is polite and crime is unheard off.

[down]The Department of Justice.

edited 16th Jun '16 10:18:04 AM by AngelusNox

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#126594: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:09:22 AM

Have any proof of that defense statistic? That's not from a source in the NRA's pocket?

Oh really when?
vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#126595: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:09:45 AM
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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#126596: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:11:56 AM

[up][up][up]I like my Plushyland and I want it to stay that way!

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#126597: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:13:10 AM
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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#126598: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:14:00 AM

Why would you need to hit your kid?

Oh really when?
vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#126599: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:14:57 AM

Because they are little gits.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#126600: Jun 16th 2016 at 10:15:58 AM

[up][up]Sometimes grounding and talking aren't enough for some kids.

edited 16th Jun '16 10:26:21 AM by AngelusNox

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