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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#126401: Jun 15th 2016 at 9:40:13 AM

He/She/It/Etc without definitely be better than Trump.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
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#126404: Jun 15th 2016 at 9:57:54 AM

Vote Loki, He/she/it kisses babies and smiles gorgeously.

edited 15th Jun '16 9:59:32 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#126406: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:02:43 AM

Vote for The Doctor! surprised[lol]

edited 15th Jun '16 10:03:04 AM by Greenmantle

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#126407: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:04:34 AM

But he regenerated in another planet entirely!

Seriously, vote Loki. He's hilarious.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#126408: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:08:35 AM

Plus the Doctor has a poor track record of absenteeism, going by the his time as Lord President of Gallifrey.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#126409: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:11:07 AM

He's already President of the World anyways, isn't he?

I say vote for Alucard! He'll protect our interests by killing anyone who says no!

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#126410: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:13:22 AM

Meh Cthulhu is so old news, I would prefer Nyarko or Yogg Saron. At least it would be funny crazy.

But anyway the whole debate on what happened in Orlando is probably best left up to another thread.

edited 15th Jun '16 10:13:51 AM by Memers

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#126411: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:17:03 AM

Y'all should vote for me. I'm a green sweater wearing cute monkey with social democratic positions, what's not to love?

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#126412: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:18:24 AM

USA FOR SATAN!

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#126413: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:19:29 AM

[up][up]What other thread? It's not really a terrorist strike, it's not an LGBT rights issue, it's one self-hating homophobe with easy access to guns. So, just for the gun thread?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#126414: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:34:48 AM

Orlando club shooter bought guns from store owned by ex-NYPD cop

Also, a blog post that led me to that article:

THE RADICALIZATION OF GUN STORE OWNERS IS COMPLETE

I can't help but feel there is a lot of irony here. An anti-Muslim gun nut, going by info, legally sold a weapon to a Muslim man who used it in an act of terrorism. Ironic both on who sold it and in the fact that the transaction was done without apparent discrimination, which is something people have been advocating for.

edited 15th Jun '16 10:39:54 AM by sgamer82

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#126415: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:40:58 AM

[up]I don't see exactly what the second article's point it. An ex-cop has some strong Islamophobic tendencies and accidentally sold a gun to an ISIS recruit. That isn't exactly "radicalization" per say.

edited 15th Jun '16 10:41:45 AM by Protagonist506

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#126416: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:42:17 AM

It struck me as more a blog post/op-ed kind of thing. I mostly included it since the latter led me to the former.

I took "radicalization" in the case to refer to pro-gun peoples' ideas overriding common sense and/or other hatred they may possess.

edited 15th Jun '16 10:43:31 AM by sgamer82

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#126417: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:48:44 AM

[up]

I took "radicalization" in the case to refer to pro-gun peoples' ideas overriding common sense and/or other hatred they may possess.

Or just that it's a business and that the market can't let him be that discriminatory?

edited 15th Jun '16 10:49:22 AM by Greenmantle

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#126418: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:54:14 AM

Rachel Maddow bit on the gun used in the shooting. Sig Sauer advertises it on the basis of it folding up and being easily silenced.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#126419: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:55:51 AM

[up][up][up]Going around discriminating customers is a great way to get a lawsuit and lose customers, so whatever bias a seller may have, it must not interfere with business for his own good.

edited 15th Jun '16 10:56:08 AM by AngelusNox

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#126420: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:56:28 AM

[up][up]That's hardly a self-defense sort of marketing...

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#126421: Jun 15th 2016 at 10:58:07 AM

Sig Sauer does actually advertise the MCX as being as concealable and quiet as possible. Going so far as to sell it chambered in .300 Blackout, a specialized cartridge made for suppressors. It was originally made for NATO special forces by the company AAC.

And like Handle says, these are not weapons or bullets made for self defense.

edited 15th Jun '16 11:00:55 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#126422: Jun 15th 2016 at 11:09:21 AM

The focus on the weapon is kind of missing the point. When you walk into a public place and start shooting, concealability and noise are not a factor. People are going to figure out what's going on real quick regardless of whether the gun is fitted with a silencer or whatever else. The sort of shooting we're talking about (very close range, very tight quarters), the difference between a rifle and a handgun and whatever else isn't much. "That's obviously not for self-defense!" is a spurious argument because "for self-defense" is a meaningless phrase. Being quiet is just as nice for not shattering your own eardrums when you're shooting on the range as it is for shooting up a bunch of innocent people. You can read any feature list in any damn way you want.

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#126423: Jun 15th 2016 at 11:12:48 AM

The issue is how he was able to arrive at the scene to begin his rampage without being detected. If he snuck the gun into the club, then its concealability becomes a factor. If he started shooting at the entrance, then the story is a little different, but surely he was seen by people as he traveled to the site and exited whatever vehicle he used. Nobody saw an "Arabic" man carrying an assault rifle? Given our cultural paranoia, certainly someone who did would have thought to call the cops.

The point is that the shooter bought a semi-automatic rifle that is specifically advertised for its portability and concealability. Such weapons have no business being sold to consumers.

edited 15th Jun '16 11:17:25 AM by Fighteer

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#126424: Jun 15th 2016 at 11:18:06 AM

Concealing an assault rifle is a big issue, if it wasn't so concealable people would have noticed before the gun was drawn. Possibly giving enough warning to have allowed something to happen to save lives.

But quite a few states allow people to go wherever with a machine gun on their shoulder and it is against the law to even say anything about it, unless the person is black then he is considered a threat, including places like Walmart or clubs.

edited 15th Jun '16 11:20:43 AM by Memers

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#126425: Jun 15th 2016 at 11:21:52 AM

A vaguely middle eastern looking man would not make it anywhere in this country with an assault rifle slung over his shoulder. Open carry laws or not.

Oh really when?

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