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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#126352: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:27:28 AM

She's got the noose mark around her neck.

Well done, bigots. Come out, come out, wherever you are...

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#126353: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:28:25 AM

Does anybody know if tourism revenue has gone down for America in the last few years? Between the open bigotry on and off the campaign trail, the ridiculous amount of shootings, and long lines at the airport, I can't imagine people from other countries wanting to visit here.

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#126354: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:32:40 AM

UK outright warns its citizens against going to certain states.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#126355: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:35:14 AM

Avoid Alabama, South Carolina, Mississipp, Louisiana, and, above all, New Jersey; it's the worst!tongue

We'd tell you to avoid Nebraska, but you'll do that yourselves, I'm sure.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#126356: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:36:51 AM

Going by this, tourism seems to be strong as of 2015.

I'm sure Trump will put a few people off visiting, but I don't think it will make a noticeable difference in the long run. I'd expect things like the strong dollar to have a bigger impact than anything else.

edited 15th Jun '16 6:37:32 AM by storyyeller

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LMage Since: May, 2011
#126357: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:39:24 AM

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this or not but.

I am at a loss as to someone can even try and say 'thanks for the support' to a community he at one point said was not only going completely to hell, but anyone who defended them would go to hell as well.

How is that even. I am at a complete loss.

edited 15th Jun '16 6:45:09 AM by LMage

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#126358: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:44:22 AM

[up] It is pointless to think of anything Donald Trump says or does in terms of a coherent narrative or ethical/moral philosophy. Trying to do so will drive you mad.

edited 15th Jun '16 6:44:31 AM by Fighteer

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#126359: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:47:19 AM

In America's case (and the case of the other "settler" states) there was a built-in bulwark against the kind of economic dysfunction that bread socialism. Sure there was terrible inequality, but people could always escape to the frontier, there was little serfdom (except for sharecropping in the South after the civil war), and less pre-built social hierarchy meant that there was more independence, either small landholders or small business owners, unlike Europe where more defined class systems exacerbated the tendency for class conflict.

ThePest179 Since: Jul, 2015
#126360: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:50:12 AM

[up][up][up] I've noticed that after the attacks in Orlando, support for the LGBT community has increased dramatically among conservatives (Hannity went on TV decrying Saudi Arabia's death penalty for gays just a day or two ago). Perhaps if there is any good thing to come out of this horrific attack, it's that LGBT people will be considered more acceptable in mainstream society.

edited 15th Jun '16 6:50:40 AM by ThePest179

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#126361: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:52:51 AM

They're only accepting us as a tool to spread hate for muslims, which isn't what the LGBT community wants. They don't give a shit about us.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#126362: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:53:49 AM

Extreme homophobia hasn't been a part of mainstream conservatism for a while, though the "death to the gays" folks have remained tolerated or embraced in the fundamentalist circles, more secular conservatives don't care about the issue one way or another and can be seen condemning some of the worst stuff at times as well.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#126363: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:56:11 AM

Extreme homophobia might not have been part of mainstream conservatism for a while but it's been a big part of mainstream Republicanism, it remains so.

As for the G Op shifting to liking LGBT people, it won't last, nor is the LGBT community stupid enough to fall for such falsehood.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
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United Earth
#126364: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:57:21 AM

Orlando nightclub as police chief admits officers may have shot some of the VICTIMS. It's from the Daily Fail, but holy fuck.

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#126365: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:11:05 AM

Trump is a populist. He's going to say whatever his team thinks will get votes.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#126366: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:13:26 AM

[up] It disturbs me greatly that stuff like in that live tweet article are things he thinks will get him elected. It disturbs me even more that, going by how the people at the rally behaved and his success thus far, that he isn't 100% wrong about that

edited 15th Jun '16 7:13:44 AM by sgamer82

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#126367: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:14:04 AM

Seeing as a breach is a very chaotic thing, in addition to the previously mentioned crampedness of the club, this wouldn't be unexpected, although unfortunate.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
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A procrastination in of itself
#126368: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:18:58 AM

Yeah in the end the hostages were saved and the guy was stopped, that's better then a lot of similar situations go. I think the police deserve a pass on if a ricoshade bullet may have hit someone by accident.

edited 15th Jun '16 7:19:10 AM by Silasw

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Jupiterian Local
#126369: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:21:44 AM

It's not surprising, honestly. It was a chaotic scene and a lot of things may have happened. Autopsies and other parts of the investigation will reveal whether any of the victims were hit by friendly fire eventually.

It's an unfortunate reality that when good guys are mixed in with bad guys in the middle of a fire fight, sometimes you're going to hit the wrong people. That's just the nature of the beast, and why an armed entry like that is generally a last resort.

If anyone was killed by police by accident, it honestly doesn't change anything. The police went in because they felt that the gunman was about to start executing hostages. They saved 30 people by doing so. Unless it's shown that the police acted negligently, any friendly fire casualties are tragic but the blame for them rests firmly on the gunman and no one else.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#126370: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:30:58 AM

Re: socialism, the thing is that every socialist revolution (as in, socialist parties or communes seizing power) has ended in one of three failure modes.

  1. Squashed by external forces. Hungary (oh the irony), the Paris Commune, and the various Spanish groups come to mind.
  2. Thermidorian Full-Circle Revolution. Everyone gets sick of revolutionary terror and throws in the towel, restoring things to more-or-less the old status quo.
  3. A strongman takes power and governs exactly like any other right-wing strongman, using socialist ideology to justify personal power and usually enrichment.

Revolution is essentially a giant roll of the dice where most of the outcomes are unfavorable. That was the flaw in Marx' thinking - he assumed that revolutionary terror wouldn't lead to a straight-up dictatorship instead of a dictatorship of the proletariat.

[up][awesome] I have to agree. When people are shooting wildly, the priority is to take them down as quickly as possible. If innocents are hit, then that's unfortunate but not the police's fault.

edited 15th Jun '16 7:32:06 AM by Ramidel

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Lost in Space
#126371: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:39:16 AM

High-threat response teams are extensively trained in target recognition. Friendly-fire casualties should be virtually nil under any conceivable single-shooter scenario, unless they literally have to shoot through a hostage to take down the gunman. I refuse to accept any other outcome without extensive justification.

Edit: Louisiana's adoption of the Obamacare Medicaid expansion has been phenomenally successful. So much for the doomsayers, yet again.

edited 15th Jun '16 7:41:53 AM by Fighteer

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#126373: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:54:24 AM

@ speedyboris

Does anybody know if tourism revenue has gone down for America in the last few years? Between the open bigotry on and off the campaign trail, the ridiculous amount of shootings, and long lines at the airport, I can't imagine people from other countries wanting to visit here.

I'm more concerned about legal immigration, especially on who wins this November.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#126374: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:58:46 AM

[up][up]The problem with that is that either the constitutional safeguards work and you get half-measures (because the 1% are protected from rampant smash-and-grab populism, and to a hardcore socialist, the elites need to be brought down as much as the workers need to be lifted up), or they don't, and you get Chavez.

Anarcho-communism is a workable route but only on a small scale - it's not a good blueprint for a large-scale revolution because most people aren't anarchists. (Loved having deathpigeon around, though; he was a wonderful breath of fresh ideas in my mind.)

edited 15th Jun '16 8:06:30 AM by Ramidel

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#126375: Jun 15th 2016 at 8:07:14 AM

[up] Indeed, and in my opinion, our current degree of technological development is incapable of supporting a largely socialist economy. A heavy welfare state with an emphasis on empowering organized labor is more or less what I'd consider the limit of what is achievable with present day technology, but I believe that's going to change quite dramatically over the course of the 21st century. It'll probably start with measures like Universal Basic Income, and progressively greater and greater regulation of critical sectors of the economy in response to economic meltdowns, and while I'm not sure it'll ever actually be called socialism, after a certain point, it's certainly not going to be capitalism anymore, in my opinion.

edited 15th Jun '16 8:12:12 AM by CaptainCapsase


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