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NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#126251: Jun 14th 2016 at 4:31:14 PM

Yeah, anyone calling for internment camps is either disturbed, misinformed, or doesn't remember what happened when the Germans elected a man who campaigned on "lets build internment camps for the people we do not like".

Trump - with his deportation force and "Muslim Patrols" - is very well shaping up to be the first openly Fascist candidate for the Presidency.

Probably the first candidate the Red Skull would approve of.

GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#126252: Jun 14th 2016 at 4:35:43 PM

I think the issue is that some of the most outspoken atheists are really antitheists... Which is to say they are completely and vocally against all religion in the same way that the most outspoken Christians and Muslims malign other religions. So when they see someone doing an attack like this in the name of Islam, their natural inclination is to blame Islam when, in reality, there are a ton of Muslims who are nice people and want to worship God in peace.

As someone who considers himself a gamer and is very deep into news about gaming, I can confirm that a person does not need to worship a God or follow a religion to be an asshole of the highest caliber. All a person needs to be is insanely devoted to something, whether it be a political party, a religion, a sports team, or even a fandom. Even atheists who are insanely devoted to tearing down religion can be blind to that fact about humanity.

edited 14th Jun '16 4:36:40 PM by GameGuruGG

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#126253: Jun 14th 2016 at 4:54:37 PM

@Nick The Swing

The Red Skull does approve. Marvel released a bit of him using Trump's logic to recruit people into Hydra.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#126255: Jun 14th 2016 at 5:08:53 PM

Going back to an article posted on the last page, a lot of people get behind on child support because they're barely earning enough to live on and don't make enough to pay. Making it so they can't register their cars is just going to make it harder for them to get the money. If they can't drive, they can't work.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
desdendelle Hooded Crow from Land of Milk and Honey (Sergeant) Relationship Status: Hiding
Hooded Crow
#126256: Jun 14th 2016 at 5:11:12 PM

[up] I don't know how it works in the states, but here people can work without driving. I do.

On empty crossroads, seek the eclipse -- for when Sol and Lua align, the lost shall find their way home.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#126257: Jun 14th 2016 at 5:15:55 PM

[up]Keep in mind the states are very Car-Centric by nature. Everyone owns a car, and nobody really pays attention to public transportation.

Leviticus 19:34
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#126258: Jun 14th 2016 at 5:16:58 PM

Texas is a huge sprawling place with miles and miles between things and very little public transit even in the cities. Working without a car isn't practical for a large number of people.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#126259: Jun 14th 2016 at 5:19:50 PM

@desd: Outside of major urban areas, you really do need a car in America; its infrastructure is very car centric, and it's a big country to begin with.

edited 14th Jun '16 5:19:58 PM by CaptainCapsase

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#126260: Jun 14th 2016 at 5:24:27 PM

Certain companies in the US went out of their way to restrict public transit, for obvious reasons. And of course its a non-starter in rural areas in countries as large as the US and Canada.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#126261: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:02:22 PM

Got some fun little absurdity for y'all. A twitter friend of mine is telling me that the violent video game blame train is out and about over Orlando. Did a quick search and found an article on the matter.

https://heatst.com/tech/gaming-press-quick-to-link-video-games-with-orlando-shootings/

Another one, also pointing out the absurdity is Breitbart, which compels me to add "of all places."

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#126263: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:12:24 PM

Looks like Hillary crushed Sanders at the Washington DC primary. This wasn't entirely unexpected, but The Wall Street Journal is reporting that she currently has 78.3% of the vote. Only 17% of the vote has been counted, so the exact number will probably change. But I don't think there's a plausible scenario where she doesn't win by a landslide.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#126264: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:19:30 PM

So I went to look up about the Orlando shooting on KYM.

Good god do the comments on that site suck. About half of them are attacking Islam and calling the LGBT community (and "lefties") hypocrites for siding with Islam.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#126265: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:19:40 PM

I also gather that Clinton and Sanders will be meeting some point after the primary. As quick as people have been to condemn Sanders for holding out this long, without knowing what concessions have been offered, I don't think its my place to judge unless he's still causing issues past the convention when he's officially lost.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#126266: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:22:28 PM

What annoys me most is that his demands aren't changes to the party platform (emphasis on fixing income inequality, for instance) and more just "taking away everything that kept me from winning".

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#126267: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:29:46 PM

[up] Asking for a more pluralistic electoral system isn't a bad thing, even if its only for the primaries, moreover, you really can't say what was and wasn't asked for, we only know of what's been given so far. Modifications to the party's platform can and generally will be ignored if they think they can get away with it in terms of actual policymaking. Giving the party brass less power over their primaries is one way of keeping them honest.

Not my preferred method, but honestly one of the only ways that might work in the current political environment.

edited 14th Jun '16 6:33:56 PM by CaptainCapsase

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#126268: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:35:17 PM

Sanders has accomplished a lot in this primary cycle: he's certainly forced Hillary to deal openly with those portions of the left who resent the appearance of political insider games and want radical change. That said, he has turned increasingly shrill over his failure to win in a proceeding whose terms he knew and accepted in advance. He can only harm his own cause, never mind the party itself, by keeping up his current line of argument.

edited 14th Jun '16 6:36:02 PM by Fighteer

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#126269: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:36:13 PM

[up][up] I mean, get rid of DWS if you want, but getting rid of superdelegates? That's how you get a Trump scenario. And open primaries?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#126270: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:43:16 PM

[up] Only if the party continually fails to satisfy its constituency in the same manner as the GOP.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#126271: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:44:34 PM

I doubt that it will happen to that extent. The GOP are teetering on the edge of a collapse. The Democrats aren't perfect, but they're at least more stable.

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Lost in Space
#126272: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:46:27 PM

Rumors of the imminent demise of the Democratic Party are greatly exaggerated. This primary season was a pretty sane one by reasonable standards. It's been a lot worse. We hold the White House, we're likely to keep it in November, especially given the clown we're up against, and national policy is moving, slowly and haltingly, but still moving, in our direction.

Quite frankly, if Bernie wants to rescue the Party, he needs to work at the state and local level, and help get the DNC to do it as well. We've got an epic disaster looming in our nation's political breeding grounds.

edited 14th Jun '16 6:48:23 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#126273: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:54:42 PM

[up] Being on the verge of collapse is the only thing that's ever been able to catalyze major changes in the American system; by design its extremely rigid, and dominated by elite interests. It took the very real prospect of a violent leftist uprising in the United States to bring about the New Deal, and unfortunately I really don't think there can be real progress any other way; not. I feel that the gradualist approach Clinton is in favor of requires far too many concession to economic elites to actually be called progress, and is torn down the moment the GOP comes into power as a result of a poorly timed economic recession.

I'd also disagree about an "epic" disaster, unless you call the collapse of the current party alignment in favor of a 6th or 7th party system a disaster.

edited 14th Jun '16 7:00:29 PM by CaptainCapsase

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#126274: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:57:41 PM

Ah, here's a question: if the GOP does collapse, what happens? Will it turn into a Democrat v. Libertarian thing, or will it be more of a Sanders v. Clinton thing?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#126275: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:58:48 PM

[up] The democrats will probably end up absorbing the corporatist elements of the GOP, presumably leading to a schism wherein the leftist/progressive elements of the party break off and form a new opposition party. Which may or may not use the now open color red.

There's an outside chance during this hypothetical realignment that authoritarian elements of the democrats would assert themselves and catalyze the enactment of subtlely anti-democratic legislature that would result in America becoming a de-facto one party state by way of electoral tampering, gerrymandering, and voter suppression.

edited 14th Jun '16 7:04:01 PM by CaptainCapsase


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