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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
For the love of god this whole radical Islam controversy is stupid. Liberals refusing to use the terms is one of the few areas where PC really is refusing to tell it like it is. And Republicans have gotten way to butthurt over a stupid turn of phrase. Their the Dems said it congrats now can we move on. The answer of course is no because this is US politics and it's still fucking June. We still have 5 more months of this shit left to go.
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.In lighter news: Trump allegedly uses Christie to fetch him food
It's like making a crack addict a drug dealer.
I agree. The refusal to use this term never made much sense to me — I mean, obviously we should avoid equating terrorism with Islam itself, but that doesn't mean there's any sense in shying away from acknowledging it as religious extremism.
That said, Clinton's timing might not be that good here because it makes her look like she's conceding to Trump's demand instead of standing firm.
Kind of how Radical Feminists are a pretext for characterizing all feminists as bitter transphobic misandrists, Bomb-Throwing Anarchists are another for characterizing all Anarchists as terrorists, and so on and so forth.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Let's face it, he used the same M.O. as your garden variety right wing shooter did. So either he's just a nut like the them or it is a radical Islamist attack but you have to call all those white shooters terrorists as well.
And the fact that he's called a terrorist while the white ones aren't is bloody infuriating.
Not to mention, Republicans are skirting the fact that the victims are gay.
Then again this always happen: Like with Elliot Rodger (sexism), Dylan Roof (racism), everybody seems to be skirting the homophobia issue. Blatantly ignoring the fact the killer targeted a SPECIFIC group of people.
edited 13th Jun '16 3:13:12 PM by NoName999
Also this attack seems to have been motivated specifically more by homophobia instead of radical Islam.
It was an attack of homophobia, this guy won't have only gotten his ideas about killing gay people from Islam, he'll have also gotten them from Donald Trump and the Republican Party at large.
There's a reason the press aren't talking about the guy who was caught trying a similar attack, there's a reason that already we've had a Baptist minister, the WBC and a Republican Lieutenant governor all (at least seemingly) declare this attack a good thing, homophobia is far from something special to Islam.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranAnd the fact that he's called a terrorist while the white ones aren't is bloody infuriating.
Agreed. He's a terrorist but so are they. There's a profound reluctance in the media to call spree shooters terrorist when they're 20-something white guys, presumably because if you call them terrorists, then you can't use terrorism as an excuse to hate brown people anymore.
edited 13th Jun '16 3:19:08 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Wonder what the response would be if these Malheur folks had suceeded at replicating the Oklahoma City bombing. Maybe I am being naive but the latter was flashy mass murder so it may get a proper "terrorism!" response.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman![]()
And they were ridiculed and called Y'all Qaeda
◊ and only one got killed after getting involved in a FBI shooting.
Well, they may be idiots but they are idiots who like being alive as far it seems.
edited 13th Jun '16 3:29:17 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesI dunno, I heard some ultra-libertarians complain about them being labeled terrorists.
I'd argue that-while immoral-what they did technically wasn't terrorism per say (they killed exactly zero defenseless civilians), and besides that, their entire goal was to be labeled terrorists so they could invoke Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters. Labeling them terrorists would have been a bad idea.
edited 13th Jun '16 3:37:02 PM by Protagonist506
Leviticus 19:34![]()
terrorism is defined as "the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims" they had political aims (despite the fact nobody could understand them and was never quite sure what they wanted) and they were using intimidation, with the locals saying they damn well felt intimidated, and threatening at every opportunity to resort to violence, and when they did... it didn't end well
IRA were dead by 9/11, they had gone legit in the 90's as part of the peace deal, though there are still a few insane splinter groups
Reports coming out now that the shooter was a regular at Pulse and that he messaged men on gay dating apps.
Possibly this will turn out to be a guy with severe sexual issues who latched onto whatever he could to justify lashing out.
Of course, his father's take on the shooting ("killing people is bad, not for us to judge gay people, God will punish them for what they do") makes me rather strongly suspect his upbringing played a role.
Yeah a lot of these parents of ISIS recruits seem a bit to eager to wish they were killed. I strongly suspect they were the types who cursed around their kid and were shocked when the brat started cussing, cursing being Jihadi propaganda in this metaphor
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.oh god.... an armoured closet gay... how depressing, at least the majority seem to stick to just preaching against themselves
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She's saying that there's no difference between whether we call it Radical Jihadism or Radical Islam and that we have to defeat it either way, but she also calls attention to the "Radical" qualifier, saying that by no means are we to paint all Islamic people with the same brush.
I can support that.
"I have clearly said many, many times we face terrorist enemies who use Islam to justify slaughtering innocent people. We have to stop them and we will. We have to defeat radical jihadist terrorism or radical Islamism, whatever you call it," Clinton said later on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," reiterating, "it's the same."
The U.S. cannot, on the other hand, she added, "demonize, demagogue and declare war on an entire religion." Clinton also said she could assure Americans that she is equally committed to fighting Islamic extremism as well as protecting law-abiding Muslims.
edited 13th Jun '16 2:50:48 PM by TobiasDrake
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