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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
You don't do it for every gun customer at every purchase, you do it for everyone who applies for a gun licence, while the speak with the doctor a criminal background check is also run, then once you're done you get your licence and just show it st the shop whenever you buy a gun
As for the logistics, you'd need a big staff at the start, but assuming that a licence lasts 5-10 years once the initial glut is done you'll just have to do a few people every year as new gun owners enter the market.
Why would they're refuse to do it?
Hell it doesn't even need to be a qualified psychologist, just have a local cop have to have a chat with them for thirty minutes to define if their dangerous.
edited 13th Jun '16 12:01:25 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranRight... license to own a gun, psych profile to get a license, license renews every 5 years. Could be workable.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"That is workable, very. Most gun owners wouldn't really be bothered by those conditions, that would be no different than getting a driver's license.
It is the blanked bans and senseless restrictions that are pushed along those measures that taint the well.
edited 13th Jun '16 12:06:13 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesI keep hearing about this senseless restrictions thing. We have fairly serious gun control here in Canada. We have a lot fewer mass shootings than you do. I have this sneaking suspicion our restrictions aren't that senseless. Here's wikipedia's article on Canadian gun control
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Because if they're wrong and that guy shoots someone they will never work again. Same reason why almost no psychiatrist ever votes to let a guy out of a mental ward.
edited 13th Jun '16 12:10:17 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Hell you could even roll the concealed carry permit onto the same card, just have it say if you're entitled to own handguns, long guns nd if you entitled to carry concealed, include a name and preferably a picture, same as a driving licence.
For the paranoid you don't even have to register if you have any guns, you've got the licence, that's all anyone needs to know, you could be using the licence to have one gun or twenty, that's your business, after all, you've got a licence.
I don't belive that happens in other countries were you get a licence after being screened, people accept that mistakes happen, same way we don't witch hunt the driving instructors who gave a licence to a drunk driver.
Not sure how you'd register/track ammunition... track who bought what, sure, but can you ID a bullet by serial number?
edited 13th Jun '16 12:14:45 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I think you could cut down on a lot just by saying that a person needs a licence, now personally I'd favour it being licence (to own a gun) and registration (for that specific gun) same as with a car, but baby steps.
Yes straw purchases are a problem, but they're also more punishable, if this guy had got his guns via a straw purchase/private sale then we'd simply be investigating until we found the person who gave/sold him the guns and then charge them with terrorism.
edited 13th Jun '16 12:16:28 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran"I lost my gun, what of it?"
"You can't just lose a gun, you irresponsible manchild! You've been trusted with a lethal weapon, and you're beholden by law to keep it in a safe location and know where it is at all times!"
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."I lost my gun."
"Did you report it?"
"No."
"Go directly to jail, do not pass Go, do not collect $200."
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"One idea that pops up occasionally is fingerprint locking a gun or (and this is still not possible, but it might be soon) genetically locking a gun so it flat out won't work without the right person holding it. That would kill straw purchases, at least for those guns. Unfortunately, the NRA would probably scream and wail about how that is somehow infringing on the 2nd amendment when all it would mean is that you can own and use a gun. You just can't give that specific gun to someone else to use.
Have the government mandate that all guns be fitted with that restriction and, voila, you now have a situation in which you know exactly who owned which gun.
edited 13th Jun '16 12:56:19 PM by Zendervai
It's pretty tough to bio-lock weapons that are already out there, and how do you get those out of private hands?
edited 13th Jun '16 1:05:49 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
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Agreed. Likewise (as has been said before in this thread), there is no such thing as an accidental discharge of a firearm, only negligent discharge.
Also (and I like this one because it will make the sovcits absolutely lose their shit) I like the idea of putting RFID tags on all firearms and allowing them to be tracked at all times by law enforcement. Not sure how technologically feasible this is, though. But I'm definitely in favor of registering all firearms and making it the case that someone is responsible for each firearm at all times.
Which I think is a theme in my attitude towards firearms in general. With reasonable restrictions for automatic and other "no way is there a civilian purpose for this weapon" weapons, I'd rather focus on the gun owner and make damn sure that they are legally responsible for every firearm in their possession.
@Ambar: Canada's laws read as eminently sensible. Obviously, Americans as a society are going to opt to allow concealed carry of handguns, but other than that we could do worse for a template.
And they say that the NRA is a lobby for gun manufacturers.
edited 13th Jun '16 1:07:27 PM by Ramidel
The NRA has long since stopped being controlled by gun manufacturers and is now an extremist Second Amendment activism group that essentially runs both the GOP and the gun industry.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"In non-gun news: Sanders offers alternative Puerto Rico bill
Ditto. Mandated training is right at the top of my list, both in regards to usage and storage - the latter wouldn't do squat on mass-shootings (except in regards to stolen guns), but it'd surely cut down on the amount of "Little Timmy playing with daddy's gun" incidents.
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Most May and and a few Shall issue states make the safety training mandatory if you're aiming to get Concealed Carry Permit. Only the idiots are the ones who complain about it though.
The ground works for implementing gun safety, registry and carry laws are already laid across the states but there is no Federal law regularizing, both because the Dems don't know how to stop on them alone and the Reps being...the Reps.
A mandatory safety training, a psychic evaluation, ownership registry and carry licenses shouldn't be that hard to implement and even most gun owners don't mind those measures but then you have the NRA, the GOP and the Gun Grabbers to taint the laws pushing for those at Federal Level.
Inter arma enim silent legesClinton breaks from Obama, calls Orlando attack 'radical Islamism'
On the one hand, she's partly right.
On the other hand, I don't appreciate that move at all.
WikiLeaks to publish more Hillary Clinton emails - Julian Assange
“They predicted that the postwar outcome would be something like it is … she has a long history of being a liberal war hawk,” he said.
He also accused Google last week of helping Clinton in her presidential campaign, lumping together two of his bugbears.
Google “is intensely aligned with US exceptionalism” and its employees will likely be rewarded if Clinton wins the presidential election come November, Assange told an international media forum in Moscow.
His attacks on Clinton may be dismissed as highly partial,
Where the Hell am I supposed to go if Trump wins? The entire planet is at risk!
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

edited 13th Jun '16 11:53:55 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"