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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#125776: Jun 12th 2016 at 2:55:50 PM

FDA still turns away queer folk donating blood. I thought that ban had been lifted?

[up]Most terrorist strikes are done by national separatists.

edited 12th Jun '16 2:56:17 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#125777: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:05:26 PM

ATF has reported that the firearms used were all purchased legally.

Sigh, only in America...

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#125778: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:06:43 PM

And watch as nobody passes anti gun legislation. Ugh, this is one of the reasons I'm praying that Hillary beats Trump. She'd try to stop this from happening again.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#125779: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:07:38 PM

The "ban lifted" article says it's still "12 months since the last sexual contact" which pretty much rules out any gay men in an active relationship. (I'm guessing the original was put in place in the early days of the AIDS epidemic when AIDS was still thought to be a homosexual thing.)

[up]If Hillary is presenting herself as Obama 2.0 and Obama didn't touch it even when he had a Dem majority in Congress to work with, I doubt it. The mere speculation that Obama would do something sent the gun nuts into a tizzy. The issue is political kryptonite.

edited 12th Jun '16 3:12:46 PM by Elle

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#125780: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:16:01 PM

@Doctor Dougsh

It is the largest mass shooting. What I'm mourning is that in future discussions about terrorism and Islam, idiots will no doubt resort to "Muslims carried out the largest mass shooting in American history" as evidence they are uniquely bad while ignoring that most of the shootings just below it in bodycount were carried out by white Christians.

edited 12th Jun '16 3:16:37 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#125781: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:27:44 PM

Granted, the second worst mass shooting (Virginia Tech) was done by a man of South Korean origin, but your point still stands.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#125782: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:30:17 PM

I'd just like to thank you all for being not terrible. The rest of the internet is currently a tire fire.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#125783: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:37:17 PM

I hear people say that this basically guaranteed Trump the presidency, which I don't really get.

That's definitely an exaggeration, but I wouldn't be surprised if he sees a jump in the polls.

edited 12th Jun '16 3:39:58 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#125784: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:37:38 PM

If the terrorists get us to go on an internal pogrom against Islam, they've won.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#125785: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:42:10 PM

I saw a post somewhere that basically said Trump can add "ISIS Senior Recruiter-North America Branch" to his resume along side "Fraudster" and "Psychology Case Study".

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#125786: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:51:39 PM

[up][up]If he could get away with it, I don't doubt that Trump would argue for removing the Muslims that are already here (except maybe for the rich ones, of course).

He already wants to remove over 11 million illegal immigrants, what's another 3.3 million Muslims?

They easily fit the same basic criteria: "We can't trust them, we've seen what they've done, they're clearly dangerous, they've got to go, etc."

The only hard part would be finding a place to put them, since we can't just shove them south of the border and be done with it. Maybe shove them north instead, to rub it in those bleeding-heart's liberal faces.

edited 12th Jun '16 3:54:17 PM by Eschaton

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#125787: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:54:39 PM

The internet is breaking my heart. Folks that I thought of as friends...

Shit.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#125788: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:55:31 PM

[up][up]I thought he already said something like that.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#125789: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:57:10 PM

If Trump gets elected, it won't just be Muslims running north (and south)...

Statement from Prime Minister Trudeau of Canada on the shooting: https://www.facebook.com/notes/justin-trudeau/statement-by-the-prime-minister-of-canada-on-the-tragic-shooting-in-orlando-flor/10154373785880649 (Facebook required).

In non-shooting news: Sanders and Clinton will be meeting after the D.C. primary on Tuesday. Hopefully this means Sanders is ready to call it quits.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-plans-meet-hillary-clinton-week/story?id=39783843

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#125790: Jun 12th 2016 at 3:57:25 PM

I'm pretty sure most terrorists aren't even Muslims. The media just has an aversion to calling it terrorism when it's a non-Muslim/white person doing it.

Unless I am mistaken, I don't think many called Anders Breivik a terrorist, despite him getting a higher death count than there was in Orlando and repeatedly mentioning how his attacks were meant to send a message to the Western civilization.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#125791: Jun 12th 2016 at 4:05:51 PM

I think a lot of people called the Norway attacks terrorism, IIRC.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
war877 Grr... <3 from Untamed Wilds Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Grr... <3
#125792: Jun 12th 2016 at 4:06:38 PM

*crosses fingers* Clinton sanders ticket.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#125793: Jun 12th 2016 at 4:15:11 PM

Too old, and Clinton wants to pick a rising star within the party who covers her weaknesses and raises their profile for future races.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#125794: Jun 12th 2016 at 4:20:22 PM

Is it really that bad on the rest of the internet? This is the only place I ever have political conversations, apart from school and parents. I mean it appears nobody in my world has even heard of the shooting, which is it's own kind of sad. Still, the last gun control legislation was only passed because the Black Panthers got their hands on fire arms, so if anything is going to get us to tighten our gun laws it's the prospect of Muslims getting into the whole shooter thing.

Edit: I'm pretty sure the Charleston guy was labeled as a "domestic terrorist" by at least the government and CNN

edited 12th Jun '16 4:21:21 PM by JackOLantern1337

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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#125795: Jun 12th 2016 at 4:21:50 PM

Grabbing sanders for VP might not be a terrible choice if they figure it'd keep his people showing up but I see a few problems with that math

1: He can't even muster up those folks to make him the nominee

2: He'd be a liability come the generals

3: Elizabeth Warren is basically a shoe-in

Right-wingers tend to get a huge boost from terror attacks, Israel has basically been a right-wing haven since the president who drafted the oslo accords got assassinated. If Trump has any sense he'll be making this attack the center of his campaign and he just might win on it.

Obama could soften the blow if he came out hard against ISIS but I doubt there's much else he can do outside of organizing a ground invasion and I can't even imagine the clusterfuck that would be.

Clinton could probably rally around the guns issue if she's trying to get this out of the air as fast as possible. Make even a peep about guns and the NRA throws a shitfit that makes everything else quiet in comparison.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#125796: Jun 12th 2016 at 4:23:51 PM

[up] There's already memes.

A more conservative person I know on facebook posted one of a pro-gay protest/parade type thing advocating unity and saying no to racism/bigotry/islamophobia. Underneath is a caption "Should we tell them, or let them discover the truth for themselves"

Thinking on it, that could pre-date the shooting, even so... ugh.

One that probably doesn't was one pointing out how many casualties there were then noting that Obama would blame Republicans and Guns.

edited 12th Jun '16 4:24:55 PM by sgamer82

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#125797: Jun 12th 2016 at 4:23:58 PM

[up][up][up]If the internet response was something to go by, if it were a church instead of a gay club mosques a' many would be up in flames by now.

edited 12th Jun '16 4:24:17 PM by carbon-mantis

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#125798: Jun 12th 2016 at 4:24:32 PM

RE: Rest of the internet

I just had to ban a former friend on Facebook because he decided to attack a gay guy who was defending Muslims from Islamaphobic attacks.

EDIT: In an effort at cheering everyone up, anyone else seen Clinton's Trump University Infomercial?

edited 12th Jun '16 4:31:39 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#125799: Jun 12th 2016 at 4:31:05 PM

I must have been very fortunate in my choice of friends. I haven't seen a single person doing that sort of thing.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#125800: Jun 12th 2016 at 4:36:50 PM

I keep seeing people say that we don't need to get rid of guns, because "they'll just get them anyways".

Great job ignoring how the shooter bought his guns legally, people. Ugh. Can someone please reassure me that Clinton will beat Trump? Please?


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