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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#125726: Jun 12th 2016 at 10:13:47 AM

There aren't any sources about ISIS taking credit for this are they?

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#125727: Jun 12th 2016 at 10:16:46 AM

Nope, in fact the parents are saying they don't think there's an ISIS or religion connection at all and it was raw homophobia.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#125728: Jun 12th 2016 at 10:18:59 AM

FOX is of course ignoring that and talking about how the State Department isn't doing enough about Islam in the US.

Oh really when?
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#125729: Jun 12th 2016 at 10:23:38 AM

I think it's been reported than many attackers like this one weren't particularly religious before they were radicalised (they lawyer hired to defend one of the Paris attackers claimed that he hadn't even read the Qaran). I think, typically, it has more to do with disaffection and alienation resulting in resentment against western society — in that sense, it makes sense that he'd attack something he'd be likely to see as quintessentially "western".

Anthony_H Since: Jan, 2001
#125730: Jun 12th 2016 at 10:28:49 AM

[up]Almost exactly what I thought: this attack has more in common with classic, lone wolf shootings by middle class white males than a more "typical" islamist terrorist move.

In a bizarre, dark and disgusting way, this attack proves how well assimilated this guy was.

edited 12th Jun '16 10:29:00 AM by Anthony_H

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#125731: Jun 12th 2016 at 10:29:26 AM

[up][up]Which will only get worse if people keep treating all Muslims like they're scary foreigners.

edited 12th Jun '16 10:29:35 AM by Kostya

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#125732: Jun 12th 2016 at 10:39:44 AM

CNN are reporting that the guy called the emergency services just before and pledged his loyalty to ISIS, so it may turn out to be an ISIS inspired action if nothing else.

Just like with the Belgium attackers it seems we've got a second generation guy doing the attack, he was born the US, his parents weren't. This may well be a twiste way for him to rebel against the parents that "gave in to western decadence".

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#125733: Jun 12th 2016 at 10:48:21 AM

Something for the "I don't want to be part of this species anymore" people: after public calls for people to donate blood to help manage the crisis, Orlando blood banks have seen such an enormous turnout that they've reached capacity and are asking people to return over the next few days instead of standing in line today. There are pictures of people lined up around the block and through parking lots.

Even though some people are assholes, a much, much larger number of people are willing to go out of their way to help others.

edited 12th Jun '16 10:49:46 AM by NativeJovian

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#125734: Jun 12th 2016 at 10:51:32 AM

It was the same after Boston, I wonder if it's possible to get emergency mobile blood banks set up to handle such a donation overload, they could be scrambled during an emergency for eith the delivery of blood to locations in need or the storage of donated blood in the case of excess.

As I suspect that a lot of people won't return tomorrow, and that blood could do a lot of good if gotten.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#125735: Jun 12th 2016 at 10:54:20 AM

So, about the shooter's father...

Edit- For context, he's a kook who praises the Taliban. Seems like partly an ethnic thing RE regions in Pakistan vs Afghanistan, but he's kind of the worst person to vouch that his son's violence was not religiously motivated.

edited 12th Jun '16 10:58:13 AM by Hodor2

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#125737: Jun 12th 2016 at 10:58:57 AM

[Self-Thumped]

edited 12th Jun '16 10:59:27 AM by Greenmantle

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#125738: Jun 12th 2016 at 10:59:23 AM

Jesus fuck. All the stereotypes being checked off one-by-one.

Hope America is smart enough that they won't use this as justification for voting for Trump enough to win.

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Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#125739: Jun 12th 2016 at 11:01:43 AM

Most Americans will forget about it by the time of the election.

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#125740: Jun 12th 2016 at 11:02:01 AM

Hope America is smart enough that they won't use this as justification for voting for Trump enough to win.

i'm tired, my friend
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#125741: Jun 12th 2016 at 11:03:14 AM

Well, this is the time for Muslims to make a huge showing of solidarity... and for the media to relay it.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#125742: Jun 12th 2016 at 11:08:43 AM

They already have. An Imam spoke at the FBI press conference.

Oh really when?
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#125743: Jun 12th 2016 at 11:09:40 AM

And a large muslim group called for muslims to donate blood.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#125744: Jun 12th 2016 at 11:13:56 AM

I also have to note in fairness that the guy's father's praise of the Taliban sounds (from that article) like it exclusively had to do with their fighting the Pakistani government on account of some ethno-religious ties.

He wasn't praising actions by the Taliban targeted at the United States/"The West".

So, there isn't a contradiction between his bizarre talk show and him not supporting his son committing terrorism/a hate crime in the United States.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#125745: Jun 12th 2016 at 11:15:18 AM

I'm just waiting for the retaliatory attacks to start on random Muslims (or Sikhs/Hindus/random brown looking people, cause that tends to happen with this sort of shit).

And yeah, this guy sounds like your classic ISIS inspired attacker; not much different from the guys who hit Paris/Brussels/Ottawa/San Bernardino.

edited 12th Jun '16 11:15:36 AM by Rationalinsanity

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#125746: Jun 12th 2016 at 11:21:36 AM

It seems to be the case with the Orlando shooter that he was just very homophobic and not religious at all, although he was snooping around jihadi sites in the past couple years. His declaration of allegiance to ISIS could just be a way of delivering a quick mission statement before he went on the attack.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#125747: Jun 12th 2016 at 11:22:26 AM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742034549232766976

I'm sorry. But if you willingly vote for Donald Trump, you're a racist asshole. Through and through. Period.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#125748: Jun 12th 2016 at 11:26:17 AM

Was going to comment on that. I think it weighs against my concerns about Trump being capable of self-control.

Like I can't believe someone would actually say that they "appreciates the congrats" for being right about Islamic terrorism.

Although still obviously Islamophobic, I think everyone else expressing that sentiment would say something to the effect that they are "sorry for being right".

But not Trump.

He's got to have Narcissistic personality disorder.

edited 12th Jun '16 11:26:58 AM by Hodor2

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#125749: Jun 12th 2016 at 11:26:51 AM

It's your garden variety self-congratulatory bullshit.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#125750: Jun 12th 2016 at 11:35:22 AM

Oh, everyone knows that Trump has an ego that's big enough to generate its own gravity well.

And yeah, that last tweet seals the deal. I don't think I could honestly remain friends with anyone who voted for Trump (if I had friends that did). Hell, I'd probably disown family members if they supported him.

edited 12th Jun '16 11:36:53 AM by Rationalinsanity

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