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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#125626: Jun 11th 2016 at 12:35:42 PM

Again, if someone wants to link proof I'm all ears.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#125628: Jun 11th 2016 at 12:37:29 PM

<yawn> The complaining about Hillary and the complaining about that complaining becomes really tiring after a while. Is there something more novel to talk about.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Perian Since: Jun, 2016
#125630: Jun 11th 2016 at 12:39:07 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] And as I said, it's insanely difficult to prove. I can say that donations to the Clinton foundation got weapon deals with Saudi Arabia approved. And then you can say that these two cases are unconnected. See what I mean?

edited 11th Jun '16 12:39:22 PM by Perian

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#125631: Jun 11th 2016 at 12:45:38 PM

The Clinton Foundation is a charitable foundation. Neither Bill nor Hillary gets anything out of donations to it. I really hope you aren't suggesting otherwise because that's been debunked dozens of times over.

Perian Since: Jun, 2016
#125632: Jun 11th 2016 at 12:49:45 PM

[up] And these Saudis contributed 10 million dollar to it out of charity?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#125633: Jun 11th 2016 at 12:50:38 PM

Why wouldn't we be sending Saudi Arabia weapons? They're one of our biggest assets in the region. Frankly I'd be concerned if we weren't arming them, we need to maintain control over them and the area.

edited 11th Jun '16 12:55:00 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#125634: Jun 11th 2016 at 12:53:10 PM

... can we please talk about something else ...

Like, that Puerto Rico bill. I remember a while ago that Sanders recommended to vote against it because it's a bit like EU-style fleecing.

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Perian Since: Jun, 2016
#125635: Jun 11th 2016 at 12:54:41 PM

[up][up] See, that's exactly what I mean. It's difficult to prove. I will just cite this (from the International Business Times):

The State Department does not disclose which individual companies are involved in direct commercial sales, but its disclosure documents reveal that countries that donated to the Clinton Foundation saw a combined $75 billion increase in authorized commercial military sales under the three full fiscal years Clinton served, as compared to the first three full fiscal years of Bush’s second term.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#125636: Jun 11th 2016 at 1:08:35 PM

[up][up] I missed that. Quick summary of it?

Shadow?
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#125637: Jun 11th 2016 at 1:10:33 PM

Perian: Super PAC money isn't going away, and both Clinton and Sanders have had getting rid of Citizens United on their platforms (Clinton from before Sanders announced, and she has more reason than almost anyone to hate that decision)...and unless we have evidence of them coordinating (which is against the law), then I don't see a reason to count or qualify it, any more than I'd call Sanders a liar for at leas tone PAC working on his behalf.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#125638: Jun 11th 2016 at 1:13:23 PM

Apparently it will allow a debt restructurement and some other measures including creating an oversight board as well as some provisions regarding infrastructure projects. I don't have a good list of details, unfortunately.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#125639: Jun 11th 2016 at 1:15:49 PM

Unfortunately all of that went over my head. >.<

I don't know if it would be a good thing or not either.

Shadow?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#125640: Jun 11th 2016 at 1:20:16 PM

See, part of what interests me about it is that Sanders when recommending to oppose did claim that it's a bit "for Wall Street, by a crisis they caused". And I remember some folks saying that indeed the Puerto Rico debt crisis to a point was engineered, but I don't remember where it was said so.

Ah, here it is.

edited 11th Jun '16 1:21:16 PM by SeptimusHeap

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#125641: Jun 11th 2016 at 1:21:16 PM

Ah, so the bigger issue is purposely blaming something that might have nothing to do with it. If I get part of the problem with this right. Is Bernie's opposing it just because he thinks Wall Street is involved, or am I missing something?

Apologies for not helping steer this topic away from the Hillary whining all that well.

edited 11th Jun '16 1:23:23 PM by Irene

Shadow?
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#125642: Jun 11th 2016 at 3:53:20 PM

A poll has Johnson ahead of Clinton among independents.

I don't know what this means-is it too early? Does he really have a chance to spoil?

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#125643: Jun 11th 2016 at 3:58:41 PM

It's still way too early. We aren't even technically in the general election yet, and won't be until after the party conventions to officially nominate their candidates — which usually involves a significant polling bump.

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#125644: Jun 11th 2016 at 4:33:21 PM

Libertarians are center-right, so they generally hurt the Republican Party more. That being said, this presidential election has the two most disliked candidates for President since there has been polling, and Gary Johnson appears to be drawing from both Republicans and Democrats equally if polls are to be believed.

And it makes sense that the Libertarian Party would see such a rise given the direction many people in the nation wants to go in. The Libertarian Party rejects the social conservative platform that the Republican Party is currently being impaled upon. It is certainly right-wing with all that entails, but a right-wing party that believes drugs, abortion, and same-sex marriage should be legal.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#125645: Jun 11th 2016 at 4:43:15 PM

And it should be noted that third parties everywhere tend to poll better than they perform come election night.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#125646: Jun 11th 2016 at 5:03:43 PM

The Libertarians lean towards a capitalist pseudo-minarchism where only theft, rape, and violence are illegal, and wars are only fought in direct defense. I can see why it'd become successful-it's basically the embodiment of Cool People Rebel Against Authority, both in its rhetoric and in its political standing (they're rather the "hipster party"). They've kept up their image pretty well, muuuuch better than the Republicans. And I will give them credit that their logic is pretty easy to wrap my head around, even if I disagree with it.

Personally, I agree with them on a few economic issues (I'm pretty capitalist-leaning), but I'm pro-government in many other ways.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#125647: Jun 11th 2016 at 5:08:45 PM

I'm practically communitarian by libertarian standards, so I just can't bother with them. Less personally hateable, more ideologically disagreeable than the main parties for me.

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#125648: Jun 11th 2016 at 5:14:49 PM

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MABfan11 from Remnant Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#125649: Jun 11th 2016 at 5:16:08 PM

Libertarians aren't exactly as socially liberal as they advertise themselves, they can best be described as socially non-interventionist. Libertarians often put things like weed, abortion and same-sex marriage in state's rights, which means they will not intervene in states that discriminates people

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#125650: Jun 11th 2016 at 5:17:18 PM

Yeah, a great many of them just wanna burn their crosses in peace.

edited 11th Jun '16 5:17:27 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?

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