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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#125501: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:01:50 AM

[up]He's probably not smart enough to do the latter.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#125502: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:04:41 AM

Even if he's smart enough to know he should, is he capable of it?

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#125503: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:14:07 AM

While waiting for the primaries to finish, Trump got bored, wandered off, and started making racist comments about a judge in California. I don't think he has it in him to refrain from being offensive.

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Perian Since: Jun, 2016
#125504: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:23:54 AM

Revolution. n. a forcible overthrow of a government or social order in favor of a new system.

People where also talking about the 'Obama revolution' 8 years ago. Were these people also inciting violence? It's just a buzz-word, and there is no evidence of at all of Sanders's supporters being particularly violent.

Hrm. I keep seeing more and more people saying they'll write in Bernie's name on the ballot in November, or that they'll vote for Jill Stein, just because they have some weird hatred of Hillary. God damn it Sanders, when you tell everyone that you're the only honest candidate and that Hillary is in the pocket of the banks and wall street, they're going to cost us the election.

Maybe because it's true? Don't you think that Clinton's million dollar contributions of organizations that she claims to oppose are a little worrying?

Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#125505: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:29:22 AM

Regarding Sanders supporters writing in his name come November, I'd be surprised if it's much more than sour grapes. Some (possibly many) of us are angry, but most of us aren't stupid.

edited 10th Jun '16 11:30:42 AM by Artificius

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#125506: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:37:18 AM

@ The Pest 179

So on a different note, if Donald loses in November, what do you guys think his future's going to look like?

Status Quo Is God at the least. I'm more concerned on how November will affect legal immigration.

edited 10th Jun '16 11:37:29 AM by HallowHawk

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#125507: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:44:29 AM

[up][up][up]Not really, considering that evidence suggests that no, she's not been particularly influenced as far as her policies go, and that such donations have been exaggerated. She was senator of New York, it's not like she could avoid dealing with Wall Street in some fashion. It doesn't pan out that this has made her corrupt in any fashion.

Perian Since: Jun, 2016
#125508: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:49:53 AM

[up] I'm talking about current Super PAC contributions. For instance, she has received $6.9 million from the fossil fuel industry, do you honestly think anything meaningful is going to be done about climate change with contributions like that?

edited 10th Jun '16 11:52:50 AM by Perian

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#125509: Jun 10th 2016 at 11:54:49 AM

"Maybe because it's true? Don't you think that Clinton's million dollar contributions of organizations that she claims to oppose are a little worrying?"

At this point, I don't give a fuck. Too much is at stake to bother with what the angry proles think about Hillary.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#125510: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:00:10 PM

Again, Perian, there's nothing to suggest that such donations has seriously affected her policies on such things. I have no respect for Super PA Cs, but I seriously don't think that Clinton's suddenly been corrupted by such a donation.

And the fact that anyone would vote for Trump out of spite shows they have no idea about reality; any thing they think Clinton would do badly on Trump would outshine her in that department ten times over. Like CZ said, there's too much at stake for such spite voting.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#125511: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:01:39 PM

Yeah, I think we've effectively reached the point where what the candidates policies or potential moves are has become irrelevant. It now basically boils down to who you'd rather see / think is more worthy of the White House.

edited 10th Jun '16 12:02:14 PM by sgamer82

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#125512: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:02:16 PM

There's not much the president can do when it comes to alternative fuel sources either way. That's mostly up to manufacturers and the states.

What Hillary can do is...

-get us a $15 minimum wage

-expand protections for minorities

-not completely destroy our relationships with other countries, like Sanders and Trump would likely do

-continue Obama's work to give people affordable healthcare

Among other things. And, the cherry on top, she's not Trump. I don't want to live in a country run by that monster, but apparently a bunch of Bernie supporters don't care enough to help out his opponent.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#125513: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:10:19 PM

Well, Obama was able to force those Keystone XL guys to do their research instead of letting them strong arm him into fast tracking approval of the line a few years back. (Currently not aware of the status of that but I think the issue is still ongoing.)

Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#125514: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:13:10 PM

Eh. I don't agree with her fighting for a $15 Minimum Wage. Even $12 from Hillary is pushing it.

That's too much in too little time.

Now, if the bill were to come across her desk, I'd say she should sign it in a heartbeat, but I'm not sure if the economic consequences would be worth it, unless it's like California where they're eased into the $15 (in this case, 2022).

Though for California, I'd say that even $15 is ridiculously low now, let alone by 2022.

Perian Since: Jun, 2016
#125515: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:14:40 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] So they give this money to her just because they like her so much? Come on.

And just to be clear: I agree that Trump should be prevented to become president at any cost, and that people living in swing states should vote for Clinton. However, if you live in a very blue state like California or a very red state like Texas, I think it would be a very bad idea to vote for her if you want to get money out of politics.

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#125516: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:18:34 PM

We are wanting the impossible here.

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Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#125517: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:20:15 PM

[up][up] Um...their employers do, yeah.

And considering that there isn't a single Senate vote in the Senate that puts Hillary on the side of Corporate America, we can either conclude that A) The accusation is unfounded and most of them donate because they like her or B) They keep trying to influence her, but it mostly falls on deaf ears.

She's been a public servant for 40 years and wasn't even "rich" until the turn of the millennium.

edited 10th Jun '16 12:20:29 PM by Jasaiga

Perian Since: Jun, 2016
#125518: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:20:35 PM

[up][up] The Clinton campaign didn't need to take this massive contributions, as the Sanders campaign shows. Also, they have never been so high due to Citizen United, so politicians in the past could clearly do without them.

[up] I was talking about Super Pac money. The money of their employers is only a small fraction of that.

edited 10th Jun '16 12:23:40 PM by Perian

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#125519: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:23:22 PM

Blame the Supreme Court for Citizens United, not Hillary. She had nothing to do with that. People keep accusing her of being in people's pockets, when all she's shown us is that she's willing to play the game in order to fix things and make them better.

Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#125520: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:31:33 PM

Plus, she literally has more incentive to get rid of CU than any other politician on Capitol Hill.

You know you're hated/people fear you, when a legal case to smear you goes to the Highest Court in the land.

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#125521: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:31:48 PM

See, I have the impression that Hillary's climate plans are less ambitious than Sanders's ones, or at least that claim is in the air. Dunno about the details though.

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Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#125522: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:46:58 PM

I always did like O'Malley's Green Energy Plan by 2050.

Though it'd be pretty much impossible without nuclear plants being the backbone of the grid.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#125523: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:48:35 PM

Do candidates actually have any control over who gives money to their Super PA Cs? I thought the whole point of them was that they're independent from the candidates' campaign and can't actually collaborate with them?

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#125524: Jun 10th 2016 at 1:08:25 PM

@Perian

Love how that nonsense Sanders claim is still floating around. When you say she got donations from the fossil fuel industry it makes it sound so bad when it's not. Here's the reality—she's gotten donations from people who work in fossil fuels, not from the fossil fuel companies. And it's nowhere near 6.9 million dollars, a number which I can only assume you pulled out of the air.

Politifact looked into the claims nonetheless. She's received 308 000 dollars from people who work in fossil fuels. That's out of the 160 000 000 dollars that her campaign had raised. In short, fossil fuel donations amount to 0.2 percent of the money she's received.

In an interesting contrast, while Sanders received less money total from fossil fuel employees, the amount he got amounted to a higher percentage of his total fundraising at 0.4 percent.

So if getting 0.2 percent of her money from the "fossil fuel industry" means Clinton can't do anything about climate change, what would getting 0.4 percent of his money from them have meant for Sanders? That he'd have been encouraging them to create more climate change? Because under your logic he'd have been twice as beholden to them.

edited 10th Jun '16 1:09:44 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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