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hamza678 Red Like Santa from Christmas Beacon. Since: Apr, 2013
Red Like Santa
#125451: Jun 9th 2016 at 10:25:05 PM

That's why you don't read the comment sections. It's like they find the worst specimens of humanity to post there.

edited 9th Jun '16 10:27:22 PM by hamza678

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#125452: Jun 9th 2016 at 10:29:17 PM

[up][up]I was in the comments on a different article and a couple of guys kept insisting that Trump is Clinton's best friend and a plant within the GOP.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#125453: Jun 9th 2016 at 11:02:23 PM

Yeah, I tend to avoid the comments sections of articles posted here. Sometimes there's an insightful comment, but most of the time I find a bunch of name slinging and bizarre conspiracy theories.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#125454: Jun 9th 2016 at 11:46:47 PM

All those intellectuals ever did for Middle America was cook up a sales pitch designed to get them to vote for politicians who would instantly betray them to business interests eager to ship their jobs off to China and India. The most successful trick was linking the corporate mantra of profit without responsibility to the concept of individual liberty.
Trump has turned the new Republican Party into high school. It will be cruel, clique-y and ruled by insult kings like himself and Ann Coulter, whose headline description of Cruz ("Tracy Flick With a Dick") will always resonate with Trump voters more than a thousand George Will columns. —- The "new GOP" seems doomed to swing back and forth between its nationalist message and its leader's tubercular psyche. It isn't a party, it's a mood.

This article is really fucking good, it pretty much show the issue with republicans

Did you feel the party will change after this circus of elections?

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#125455: Jun 9th 2016 at 11:49:47 PM

Of course they won't change.

They didn't learn after 2012 and bent over while Trump took over practically unopposed.

They have no spine

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#125456: Jun 9th 2016 at 11:51:36 PM

I misread Tubercular as tubular and was confused.

Oh really when?
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#125457: Jun 9th 2016 at 11:58:28 PM

[up][up]I would actually argue the problem with the GOP isn't that it didn't learn its lesson from 2012-the problem, in fact, is that it did learn its "lesson". It's lost touch with its own ideology (while further embittering itself against the democrats) and had a massive identity crisis, allowing Trump to step in and take it over.

edited 10th Jun '16 12:00:37 AM by Protagonist506

Leviticus 19:34
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#125458: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:06:21 AM

@ The Rolling Stones Article: I think Shinra made a suggestion/insight that the Democrats are facing their own stability issues, like two or three months ago. Basically that the Democrats shouldn't be crowing at the GOP breaking down but instead worrying WHY these more left-wing candidates keep popping up here and there and why their constituents seem mad.

@ Sanders Representing Something New: Probably not. He's pretty much tapping into the Progressives, White Liberals and the Millenials. You know. The majority of Warren's power base. Both of them are politicians who are the faces of a portion of the party that is basically infuriated with the post 2008 economic conditions that have put a squeeze on young people economically and bankrupted older workers/seniors and cost middle class families their homes.

The key difference is Warren seems more politically adept than Sanders at the 'long game', so to speak.

Until economic conditions improve expect more Sanders types to keep appearing. He happened. Warren happened. Bill De Blasio happened. They're probably not going away.

@ Trump and the Clintons being friends: They were. Until Trump went full Birther.

This article is really fucking good, it pretty much show the issue with republicans Did you feel the party will change after this circus of elections?
Yeah it'll change.

Into more Trump. Maybe the next guys will be more politically Savvy than Trump, but there's no way his candidacy doesn't have repercussions on the party's operations for the future.

[up][up]I would actually argue the problem with the GOP isn't that it didn't learn its lesson from 2012-the problem, in fact, is that it did learn its "lesson". It's lost touch with its own ideology (while further embittering itself against the democrats) and had a massive identity crisis, allowing Trump to step in and take it over.
I think that was basically the assumption of the GOP 2012 Autopsy:

"Guys, we need to stop chasing the Tea Party / Nativist Pony. If we don't do something about compromise or getting in bed with minorities, we're hosed, and chasing the Missing White Vote is a death sentence for our long term health."

And Trump jumped in and chased the Missing White Vote.

edited 10th Jun '16 12:14:44 AM by PotatoesRock

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#125459: Jun 10th 2016 at 12:13:02 AM

This is what happens when implicit racism is, literally, the only reason your party hangs on and/or is relevant even remotely on the national stage.

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Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#125460: Jun 10th 2016 at 1:15:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSWHQVlHBXc

I was visibly uncomfortable watching this video. From reasonable to batshit in less than a year.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#125461: Jun 10th 2016 at 3:51:20 AM

According to Bruce Campbell, a photograph being circulated online purportedly as a Trump supporter that got assaulted by "liberal protesters" is actually a makeup test from Ash vs. Evil Dead.

Well, you see why Trump supporters think that he is telling it as it is.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#125462: Jun 10th 2016 at 4:05:36 AM

@Potatoes Rock: Which is largely the issue. The Republican Party's white racist section is strong enough that they can and will derail any attempt to switch polarity, and strong enough to force Democrats to remain one party, but not strong enough to win a Presidential election. So the GOP is a zombie party right now.

What the Democrats need to do now is fire Schultz and put in someone who will get the downticket organization moving and seize the competitive House and Senate seats.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#125463: Jun 10th 2016 at 4:07:55 AM

I wonder if demographics could get to the point where the US would be a defacto single party state.

Tho I suppose the GOP would "reform" by then before that happens

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#125464: Jun 10th 2016 at 4:28:39 AM

I don't think that can happen. Such a single party would eventually split in some way.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#125465: Jun 10th 2016 at 5:05:50 AM

What'll happen is that eventually the GOP ages into irrelevance and dies off, and we'll get a short "Era of Good Feelings" where there's just a Democratic Party, and then A New Challenger Appears and we're back to two-party.

It's possible that we'll see a three-party system if the Deep South still has Republican holdouts in a generation (at which point there'll be a Democratic national party challenged by Republicans in one part and by the Sanderistas on the West Coast and the Northeast).

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#125466: Jun 10th 2016 at 6:07:43 AM

Sanders helped show that there's support for socialism in strange places in the US electorate, though when you look at the map of who won by county, his victories are actually largely rural, which paints a slightly different picture (that a lot of his supporters were like the West Virginia Democrats, who were just voting for him to spite Clinton and who will be voting for Trump in the fall).

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A procrastination in of itself
#125467: Jun 10th 2016 at 6:13:13 AM

Lot is an overstatement, the polling shows that 15% of Sanders supporters vote for Trump come November, and that's polling from before Clinton got a 51% of pledged delegates and befo re Sanders drops out after DC.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#125468: Jun 10th 2016 at 6:17:46 AM

Sanders showed that there is, in fact, a significant leftist movement in the US, which I see as a good thing if only because it shows that Democratic voters aren't all moderate centrists who will jump ship back to the GOP if the Democrats actually propose leftist policies instead of being the GOP-lite. That's to his credit, and I think you can legitimately say that he's pulled Hillary to the left, which I also see as a good thing.

Just because he lost doesn't means that Sanders' campaign was a failure. He's had a real effect on the Democratic party, and he's helped make some things clear about the Democratic base that will only make the party stronger going forward.

That said, it's possible to push that too far. If he keeps acting like he's been acting in the primary once the general election starts (it already has in a lot of ways, but after the official nomination at the latest), then he's going to be harmful rather than helpful. At some point he's going to need to stop treating Hillary as an opponent and start treating her as an ally against Trump. He's said he's going to do that, but it hasn't actually happened yet.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#125469: Jun 10th 2016 at 6:24:30 AM

The Republican Party will likely still be a name that gets used, even if it changes its ideals.

Personally, I'd hope the GOP changes its "marketing strategy" and starts supporting something closer to my particular brand of rightist ideology-though that's probably wishful thinking.

edited 10th Jun '16 6:24:42 AM by Protagonist506

Leviticus 19:34
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#125470: Jun 10th 2016 at 7:37:36 AM

That's to his credit, and I think you can legitimately say that he's pulled Hillary to the left, which I also see as a good thing.
I'm going to stick to skepticism and wait to see if she swerves right during the general, assuming she has the voter capture of Sanders voters.

He's had a real effect on the Democratic party, and he's helped make some things clear about the Democratic base that will only make the party stronger going forward.
If and only if enough of the party elite is able to pull their heads out of their ivory gardened asses not assume the party will go with whatever and assume biz as usual.

I think in the long run, potentially yes, he's had impact. (and Warren definitely will in the long run as well.)

I just don't trust the party top brass to follow suit this election cycle.

edited 10th Jun '16 7:38:01 AM by PotatoesRock

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#125471: Jun 10th 2016 at 8:00:46 AM

[up]That strikes me as kneejerk cynicism. Why the hell would Hillary swerve right? There aren't any votes to pick up there, whereas there are a bunch of Sanders supporters to her left whose support of her is shaky. If she tries to back away from things she's said during the primary — like hiking the minimum wage, for instance — they're going to turn on her.

There's no reason to suspect that Hillary will shift right in the general except "I don't like her, therefore she'll do something I don't like".

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#125472: Jun 10th 2016 at 8:10:41 AM

Even looking at it from a cynical angle I come up with "she won't swerve because it would do her more harm than good."

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#125473: Jun 10th 2016 at 8:12:07 AM

[up][up]Uh, as someone who is supporting Hil, I can tell you she has reason to do so. And its not a bad thing either. She's trying to become president of the entire US, not just the Democratic Party. Thats, frankly, Trump's problem. He only answers to his xenophobic base and has no room to grow. She does.

She does need to win some Bernie supporters, true, but if one reads her policy papers, she's going in Bernie's direction (if not degree) on everything except foreign policy, so its just a question of making that clear to Bernie supporters who may not know the details of her platform or if they do know said details, why that is beneficial to them as a voter.

Getting some people on the right isn't the end all be all of the world.

edited 10th Jun '16 8:12:17 AM by FFShinra

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Lost in Space
#125474: Jun 10th 2016 at 8:26:12 AM

We shouldn't think of the right as a monolithic bloc of racist assholes. That's an extreme fallacy; worse, it's one that guarantees we'll have political division forever. The right, just like the left, covers a wide spectrum of political belief. Donald Trump's greatest failing is that he only speaks to a few extreme parts of that spectrum. A President needs to be bigger than that; needs to be able to speak to and work with as wide a range of people as possible.

edited 10th Jun '16 8:27:05 AM by Fighteer

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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#125475: Jun 10th 2016 at 8:40:04 AM

Political division is only a side effect of free will.

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