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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#125201: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:37:12 AM

And the best racism!

Like I've said before, he just threw the dog whistle out the window and said "Fuck Mexicans" from the start.

Superdark33 The dark Mage of the playground from Playgrounds and Adventures Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
The dark Mage of the playground
#125202: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:41:00 AM

[up][up] Oh, i intended to mean it as a shattering of the stereotype, its not just "These people" who would have voted for him.

edited 8th Jun '16 6:41:13 AM by Superdark33

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#125203: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:44:21 AM

Poor Martin O'Malley, Jim Webb, and Lincoln Chafee...

If I counted straw candidates I'd also have to count all the strawmen that both sides supporters threw up.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#125204: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:44:58 AM

I don't think explicit racism pandering is the sole reason for his success - this article is somewhat old but the economic motives mentioned there seem relevant, especially considering that Trump won outside of the Deep South very convincingly as well.

Also, what is this with the broad brush generalization of "white liberals"? Not all of them are going to vote Trump, on the contrary I'd be surprised if a majority doesn't vote for Clinton instead.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#125205: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:52:24 AM

Don't you go dissing my man Jim Webb. He once killed a damn commie. Just to watch him die.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#125206: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:52:41 AM

"Trump is bafflingly being soft on Clinton "

Really? The guy who calls her "Crooked Hillary" in every other tweet?

TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#125207: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:54:20 AM

I think they mean in terms of committing actual time, manpower, money, and other resources to taking her down. Anyone can make aggressive tweets or other social media posts, but that does not win elections alone.

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#125208: Jun 8th 2016 at 6:59:37 AM

Romney suffered badly when his voter info was dated, and now Trump thinks he has a prayer in a modern election without any info at all?

edited 8th Jun '16 7:00:08 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#125209: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:03:51 AM

[up] Shhh! We don't want Trump to get a clue!

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#125210: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:05:03 AM

Trump's problem with attacking Clinton is that he genuinely doesn't know how to deal with the fact that she's a woman. He knows that if he tries to use the fact that she's a woman to attack her, there's going to be major pushback — if only because he did that once already with a female journalist. But he doesn't really grok how or why that upsets people, so he doesn't know how to attack her without pissing off more people than he's willing to.

He's said that he's going to give a major speech on Monday about the thousand and one ways why Hillary is terrible, so I guess we'll see how he's decided to deal with her then.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#125211: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:07:04 AM

[up]X5 For Trump that's soft.

[up][up] Like Trump reads the forum, Hugh I have my own theories as to if some people from important groups might.

[up] Ther's a reasons he tired going after Bill as a proxy attack, he knows how to target Bill.

edited 8th Jun '16 7:07:50 AM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#125212: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:10:38 AM

Trump believes every conspiracy theory he sees on social media or on his buddy Alex Jones' website. He thinks that revealing the "truth" about these things will garner support from like-minded folks and advance his core agenda, which is boosting his own ego by having people publicly agree with him.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#125213: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:10:52 AM

Someone please tell Jill Stein and the Greens to shut the hell up before they convince even a handful of Sanders supporters that voting Green isn't going to be Nader all over again.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/08/politics/jill-stein-bernie-sanders-supporters/index.html

edited 8th Jun '16 7:11:12 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#125214: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:13:18 AM

Cartoonish as it would have been, I wish Obama would have faced Trump, because it would have given us some of the greatest disses in politics history. I don't think anyone else has BHO's comedic talent, giving him Trump as an opponent would basically have turned his campaign into a hilarious show.

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Lost in Space
#125215: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:13:43 AM

I don't mind Jill Stein; she brings an important voice to the table... but it's a kids' table, with no real electoral clout. I'd be worried if she starts winning more than one percent of the popular vote, which hasn't happened since Nader in 2000. Of course, that might have cost Al Gore the election, so it's not a trivial threat...

The Greens are so marginalized that they don't even show up in national polling, unlike the Libertarians, which people occasionally ask questions about. Gary Johnson is also trying to snipe disaffected Sanders supporters. If nothing else, the Green Party stands out as a perennial warning to Democrats not to veer too far to the right.

In the end, all but the most hardcore Sanderistas will recognize that a vote that isn't for Clinton (or Trump) is effectively wasted.

Edit: The Greens also need ballot access to be a threat, and I haven't heard about them having it in nearly enough states. Running a national campaign on write-in votes isn't going to cut it.

edited 8th Jun '16 7:26:40 AM by Fighteer

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#125216: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:28:27 AM

Really? The guy who calls her "Crooked Hillary" in every other tweet?
Constant specific thing I keep seeing for those noting the softness:

Basically he isn't hammering at Hillary at the E-Mail Servers or the Speeches very well, thus far. He and Stone seem more interested in Hillary The Rape Helper.

Edit: The Greens also need ballot access to be a threat, and I haven't heard about them having it in nearly enough states. Running a national campaign on write-in votes isn't going to cut it.
Hell, even the Libretarians have better ballot access.

And they're expected to potentially take home 10% of the vote, which would give them federal funding for 2020.

edited 8th Jun '16 7:30:06 AM by PotatoesRock

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#125217: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:30:12 AM

[up] Gary Johnson has enough recognition to get several minutes with Samantha Bee and, if anyone in the race has Obama's comedic gift, it's him. Will have to google Jill Stein because I have literally never heard of her.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#125218: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:31:44 AM

Don't the Libertarians usually poll better than their election results?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#125219: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:34:44 AM

I still find you guys ballot restrictions weird as hell, I mean what law makes that legal?

Still the Greens need to shut up, if they want to be a force for progressive change then they need to work out which congressional districts/state level districts they have the most support in and fight like hell for those seats.

They're trying to jump into the big kids pool without learning to swim properly, and that's how they end up drowned come election time.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#125220: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:42:07 AM

Gary Johnson and Welt. Plus there's speculation that with His Mighty Toupeness, the Kochs might be considering funneling their money into the Party that actually represents their interests, base wise.

Jill Stein: She's basically an even more left wing Sanders.

  • She wants to fund a "Green New Deal" focusing on massive growth of the renewable energy industry combined with public works to bolster employment and job quality.
  • She wants to reduce the Federal Defense Budget by 30% to fund the above
  • Massively tax Wall Street Speculation, Offshore Tax Heavens and Mega Millions Real Estate.

Basically she argues the re-positioning of the budget and the economic multiplier effects caused by the deal would generate most of the money she needs.

IIRC, she's also Tuition Free Higher Education, Pro LGBT Rights, Anti-Israel (due to the Right Wing government in power there), Pro Peace and Diplomacy, so on, so forth.

Still the Greens need to shut up, if they want to be a force for progressive change then they need to work out which congressional districts/state level districts they have the most support in and fight like hell for those seats.

They're trying to jump into the big kids pool without learning to swim properly, and that's how they end up drowned come election time.

They do.

They're just mostly co-opted by the Democrats who have like 75% of the same positions.

edited 8th Jun '16 7:43:21 AM by PotatoesRock

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#125221: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:42:13 AM

Article One, Section 4 of the United States Constitution: "The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing [sic] Senators." Basically, states generally get to choose their own rules on who gets to appear on the ballot. They vary state to state, but generally require that you have either gained some threshold percentage of the votes in the last election to appear automatically or submit a petition with X number of signatures and probably pay a registration fee.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#125222: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:49:34 AM

Wow. Those California margins are a bit higher than I thought.

I was convinced it was going to be a 2-3 point win for Clinton, at best.

Pleasantly surprised.

New Survey coming this weekend!
storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#125223: Jun 8th 2016 at 7:53:15 AM

It's not like ballot restrictions are uncommon or undemocratic. They're simply required to be practical. Otherwise you get hundreds of random people running just for the heck of it.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#125224: Jun 8th 2016 at 8:34:20 AM

Lovely to see Sanders supporters booing at Clinton when he mentioned her during his speech. And him doing jack all to stop them. It's a minor thing, but way to stay classy Sanders.

@xopher

I'm assuming based on your comments about Clinton that you voted for/supported Sanders. If so you do realize that while Clinton supported the '94 Crime Bill (as in said she liked it while she was First Lady), Sanders, who was in Congress at the time, actually voted for it, right?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#125225: Jun 8th 2016 at 8:35:56 AM

With caveats about mass incarceration, though. Did Hillary and Bill comment on these aspects.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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