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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#125001: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:25:31 AM

I wonder what Republicans disavowing Trump means for their election chances.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#125002: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:27:24 AM

[up]x5 Yeah, you're right. Wasn't really thinking while I typed.

[up]x2 Source. Good on Lindsey, though this implies he DID endorse Trump at some point?

edited 7th Jun '16 9:28:08 AM by speedyboris

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#125003: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:27:26 AM

[up][up]Good point. The piling on the Trump train was supposed to keep them from getting thrown under it as it steamrolled its way to the election. The measure of each individual politician's tolerance is how disgusting the train has to get before they jump off it, momentum be damned.

edited 7th Jun '16 9:27:39 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#125004: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:28:51 AM

Really? Ryan is racist for calling Trump out for wanting a judge to be fired because he's Mexican?

Come on.

Oh really when?
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#125005: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:30:45 AM

TBH, I wouldn't put much stock in the idea that every dumb thing Trump says is calculated to draw attention just where he wants it. Trump may not be an idiot, but neither is he a Machiavellian mastermind or expert manipulator. If that thing about him pretending to be his own publicist was intended to distract away from his taxes, for instance, I don't even think it worked — shows like John Oliver just covered both.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#125006: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:32:18 AM

A Donald Trump surrogate on Tuesday called Speaker Paul Ryan a racist, after the Wisconsin Republican criticized the presumptive nominee's comments about a federal judge’s ethnicity.
Isn't... isn't that kinda the opposite of racism?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#125007: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:32:26 AM

I am convinced that Trump is hardcore racist, considering the long record of racist statements and actions going back decades. It's definitively not mere attention seeking or pandering.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#125008: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:34:28 AM

...what. That is so stupid I can't see straight.

I never thought I'd be saying this, but Ryan, give him hell.

As for election math, this will not hurt Ryan. His Congressional district is a swing district, and alienating Republicans by calling out Trump's bullshit will just get him a thumbs-up from independents.

EDIT: After reading the article, I think my respect for Ryan jumped about half a notch. (Only half, because I still have to read between the diplomatic lines to get what he's actually saying.) He's making it clear that he's endorsing with a clothespin on his nose for the sake of party unity.

edited 7th Jun '16 9:38:00 AM by Ramidel

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#125009: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:36:10 AM

I think if high-profile Republicans started supporting Clinton against Trump, it'd be more likely to hurt her than help her.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#125010: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:37:31 AM

How so? Turning off potential voters to the left altogether?

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#125011: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:37:52 AM

Graham's constituency are pretty much just hawks. Its his single issue obsession and Hil fits him better than Trump in that case. It was clear when Graham endorsed him, he was being forced to do so for the sake of the party, but unlike Rubio, he made it clear he was holding his nose to do so at the time.

Therefore, not at all surprised he was among the first to say "Nope, can't do it, fuck it."

[up]Yeah. Partisan bullshit is strong on bothsides.

edited 7th Jun '16 9:38:26 AM by FFShinra

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#125012: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:38:58 AM

I was not thinking of Ryan (and besides, this tactic when used by Democrats in 2014 didn't help them at all at courting non-Democrat voters), but of other politicians which have to rely on the Trump demographic to some degree or another.

I doubt that many top-tier Republicans will endorse Clinton. More likely they'll go for a third party or sit out or write in.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#125013: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:39:41 AM

[up][up][up][up], [up][up]I disagree. Anyone who would be turned off by Clinton's crossover appeal is already not her friend.

Everyone knows that Clinton is running on a campaign as pure 100% Washington-insider, and that she's more of an old white guy than either Sanders or Trump. She can embrace #ImWithHer Republicans just as easily as Trump can embrace racists.

edited 7th Jun '16 9:43:06 AM by Ramidel

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#125014: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:42:10 AM

Yeah. I'd tend to think that Republican endorsements of that nature would come across to most Democrats as Everyone Has Standards.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#125015: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:43:30 AM

There are some who will hold their nose and vote for her because she sticks it to the GOP. Crossover appeal would negate that idea. Its not significant, but that doesn't mean it won't hurt. Clinton herself has said she has plenty of friends in the Republican Party but won't mention them so as to not hurt them...or herself, given the No True Scotsman going on with Sanders.

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Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#125016: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:44:11 AM

I apologise for linking to Gawker, but then the only alternative is the man's blog: Scott Adams fears assassination by Hillary-supporting "extremists".

He is actually claiming that he is endorsing Hillary because her supporters apparently may pose a threat to his safety, as opposed to the brown shirts the GOP's most vocal base is increasingly composed of.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#125017: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:46:34 AM

W-wait: A guy's supporting Hillary because her supporters might try to kill him?

Either he's a blood knight, or really afraid of assassination.

Leviticus 19:34
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#125018: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:47:13 AM

Man it still really throws me for a loop every time I see Adams say something ridiculously bigoted and far right. You really wouldn't get that from Dilbert.

If there's one nice thing to say about the guy it's that he doesn't let politics seep into his work.

[up]He's a lunatic.

edited 7th Jun '16 9:47:43 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
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Lost in Space
#125019: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:53:35 AM

Because Scott Adams is so important to the election, I didn't even know he had any influence in it whatsoever up until just now. That's some smart propaganda there.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#125020: Jun 7th 2016 at 10:02:47 AM

...I read his statement as sarcasm with a dash of satire.

I mean, this is Scott Adams. He makes a living out of troll humor.

edited 7th Jun '16 10:04:07 AM by Ramidel

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#125021: Jun 7th 2016 at 10:04:30 AM

I read his statement as utterly irrelevant (for this topic, anyhow) proof of the infinite monkey theorem.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#125022: Jun 7th 2016 at 10:06:31 AM

Scott Adams isn't a troll or very humorous as I've found out. The dude is genuinely a nutcase and very far right wing. He's made a lot of really bigoted statements in the past.

Oh really when?
GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#125023: Jun 7th 2016 at 10:18:52 AM

Scott Adams is proof positive that the workplace absurdity is universal.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#125024: Jun 7th 2016 at 10:33:43 AM

Ironically, Dilbert is actually well written and I genuinely like it.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#125025: Jun 7th 2016 at 10:37:17 AM

Huh. I wouldn't put it past him to simply be spouting said bigoted comments for shock/troll value (I know Glenn Beck, for example, is not nearly as right-wing as his work) but if he's the real thing...oh.


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