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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124976: Jun 7th 2016 at 7:41:38 AM

[up][up] I was asking out of curiosity.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#124977: Jun 7th 2016 at 7:42:07 AM

More over, regardless of whether the death threats are real or not is irrelevant. The fact that nobody's even making them shows that the people of this thread aren't as bad as the Bernie Bros.

On an unrelated note: is it just me or does "Bernie Bro" sound like a Mario baddie? It all makes sense now: Bowser sent the Bernie Bros.

Leviticus 19:34
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124978: Jun 7th 2016 at 7:43:43 AM

[up] I have to wonder whether that's actually the case or whether it's simply because everyone here knows the Internet Tough Guy routine will get you banned here. Or anywhere where there's effective moderation.

edited 7th Jun '16 7:45:32 AM by CaptainCapsase

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#124979: Jun 7th 2016 at 7:48:52 AM

No we're all better than that. The people who aren't show up here once in a while and they get bounced for it.

Oh really when?
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#124980: Jun 7th 2016 at 7:49:17 AM

Speaking personally, I would not make death threats against anybody even if I knew I wouldn't be moderated for it, because I was taught to behave civilly to people. That said, taking the absence of them as proof that people would do them if they weren't threatened with banning for it is a bit convoluted.

We don't hate Bernie Sanders or his supporters. But they've made themselves very difficult to listen to or take seriously. This is speaking as a person who strongly considered voting for him in the primary.

edited 7th Jun '16 7:50:02 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#124981: Jun 7th 2016 at 7:53:24 AM

I try to avoid making threats because once you do that you've effectively killed the conversation.

I think the only time I've genuinely threatened someone in my personal life was when the person in question was advocating for genocide. At which point the conversation wasn't going to move forwards anyway.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124982: Jun 7th 2016 at 7:54:15 AM

[up][up][up] I'd like to think that, but I personally know people who will be absolute bastards on an unmoderated forum, but will keep to the letter of the rules elsewhere.

edited 7th Jun '16 7:54:31 AM by CaptainCapsase

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#124983: Jun 7th 2016 at 7:58:03 AM

I agree with this so much.

This too.

edited 7th Jun '16 8:01:22 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#124984: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:02:25 AM

Well I'm gonna vote for the first time today.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#124985: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:06:43 AM

Be sure to get your sticker.

Oh really when?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124986: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:17:22 AM

[up][up] Not in a state that allows mail-in ballots I take it?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#124987: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:32:30 AM

California has vote by mail, some terms are listed here.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#124988: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:43:55 AM

Just prefer to be present.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124989: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:49:31 AM

[up][up] Cali isn't the only state voting today.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#124990: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:51:25 AM

Re: Birthers: IIRC Tom Delay was one of the major mouthpieces for the birther movement.

Re: Sanders: Despite the questionable actions of some of his followers, I do still like the guy and many of his platforms. But when push comes to shove, we can't have more than one Democrat on the ballot, so since Hillary now has the minimum delegates, I'd rather Bernie just gracefully drop out so that the Democratic party has a chance in November.

edited 8th Jun '16 6:53:12 AM by speedyboris

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#124991: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:51:29 AM

The question was asked by someone with the location "California", hence the specific link.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#124992: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:52:46 AM

By the way if people want to see what genuinely anti-Sanders Democrats sound like, this article and the comments below might be enlightening.

edited 7th Jun '16 8:52:58 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#124993: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:52:58 AM

Yes I am currently in CA, Cap.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124994: Jun 7th 2016 at 8:56:04 AM

[up][up][up] But of course. Under no circumstances should he take things to the convention. If something catastrophic were to actually happen like a Hillary Clinton indictment or cancer diagnosis between now and the convention, the superdelegates will still be able to give him the nomination, and if that were to happen afterwards, it'd be on Clinton to step down. After the voting is done, there's really no point in staying in the race, and I legitimately do expect him to concede either today or after the last primary on the 14th.

edited 7th Jun '16 8:56:19 AM by CaptainCapsase

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#124995: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:00:00 AM

Hillary will apparently have a conversation with Sanders on Tuesday night, per The Hill. Maybe she can convince him to drop his bid at that point.

Also, @Capsase, there is nothing that forbids the convention from voting for Sanders if in some hypothetical scenario Hillary were to drop out. No, not even Sanders himself dropping out.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124996: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:02:47 AM

@Septimus: that's what I said, yes; once voting is done, there's no reason for Sanders to stay in the race.

edited 7th Jun '16 9:04:21 AM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#124997: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:15:40 AM

Re: Birthers: IIRC Tom Delay was one of the major mouthpieces for the birther movement. Hillary eventually started saying it too.

As far as I'm aware, no, she didn't. She just didn't deny them in a way that some people who were less that fans of her took it to me she was using it as dog whistle.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#124998: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:19:28 AM

I have to agree with Fighteer. We in this thread aren't as bad as certain Bernie supporters from the depths of Reddit because the Internet Tough Guy routine gets banned here. Besides, it would be really foolish of me to announce my plans to assassinate Trump if he gets elected in a public forum...Did I Just Say That Out Loud?? grin

If this thread weren't as strictly modded as it is, we'd have a lot more right-wingers, hard-leftists and plain jerks. But since basic touchstones of right-wing politics are banned here, along with the kind of attitudes correlated with the hard-left, we're going to have a civil and somewhat bounded debate here ("bounded debate" unfortunately meaning something of an echo chamber - I still miss Maxima).

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#124999: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:19:50 AM

I find it somewhat noteworthy that the Trump coverage lately has entirely revolved around the Trump University scam and his comments about Curiel. For a while it seemed like the GOP was warming up to him, and some people were speculating he may become more "presidential". I am guessing these people (and Ryan) were deluding themselves into thinking Trump could somehow become a good candidate.

The funny thing is I've seen some people say Trump brought up Curel's ethnicity as away to distract people from Trump U. Sorta like how people think he brought the whole John Miller thing to distract from his taxes. But if that's the case then it seriously backfired. Being openly racist is far worse than possibly running a scam college.

Paul Ryan: Trump's comments about judge are 'textbook' racism.

A Donald Trump surrogate on Tuesday called Speaker Paul Ryan a racist, after the Wisconsin Republican criticized the presumptive nominee's comments about a federal judge’s ethnicity.

edited 7th Jun '16 9:23:23 AM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#125000: Jun 7th 2016 at 9:23:03 AM

Senator Lindsey Graham has recinded his support (which was at best lukewarm, though really it seemed his arm was getting twisted) and asked other GOP people to also drop him.

I'll laugh if he starts supporting Hil. I won't be surprised at all though.


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