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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124901: Jun 6th 2016 at 7:41:01 PM

[up] Of course they did, because it started taking off among desperate supporters of Clinton looking for an excuse to disqualify Obama. At this point, it's a view that's virtually nonexistent among people who would ever consider voting democrat.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#124902: Jun 6th 2016 at 7:42:15 PM

@Captain Caspase

Because being excited over the demise of a candidate you despise apparently isn't allowed anymore. We all gloated like nobody's business when Romney lost four years ago.

edited 6th Jun '16 7:42:38 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#124903: Jun 6th 2016 at 7:43:02 PM

Bah, let Sander's rich white kids stay home. I bet most of them weren't even gonna go out and vote anyway.

Oh really when?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124904: Jun 6th 2016 at 7:44:20 PM

[up][up] In doing so, you're doing a hell of a lot more to help Turmp than nearly any of Sanders supporters are; this kind of sore loser attitude shows up at the end of any competitive primary; hence we got the start of birtherism as a last ditch effort by Clinton's supporters to force Obama out of the race.

[up] Garcon, I'm sorry, but if that's your attitude than you deserve Trump as your President. Sanders got 45% of the democratic electorate, and even if you assume all caucuses are invalid and all people there actually supported Clinton unconditionally, had enough support that the GOP would win every single seat in congress and the presidency if they all stayed home.

edited 6th Jun '16 7:49:41 PM by CaptainCapsase

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#124905: Jun 6th 2016 at 7:48:36 PM

I'm sorry, but the comparison between Sanders and Clinton in 08 is an enormous false equivalency.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#124906: Jun 6th 2016 at 7:50:29 PM

On the topic of Sanders voters, I like reading the entertainment journalism of this author Sean T. Collins but tend to disagree with his politics, as he's a huge Bernie supporter.

Anyway though, he cited a statistic that among young voters (not sure the age group- think 18-30?) Sanders got 72% and Clinton 28%. Is that correct? I'm guessing it is and I"m kind of surprised it is that stark.

He also commented to the effect that liberals criticizing Sanders are doing so because they want to cover up the fact they lost that generation. I think he's somewhat more off-base here because while it is a pretty stark separation, I'd bet that of that 72% there's a range of views about Clinton- like I really doubt all of those people hate Clinton and are otherwise disaffected with the Democratic party.

One reason why the number does surprise/disappoint me is that while like some other Sanders supporters who hate Clinton, Collins also dislikes Obama, I'd imagine a lot of that 72% voted for Obama and would want someone like him/favorable toward his policies- and that person is not Sanders.

edited 6th Jun '16 7:51:33 PM by Hodor2

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124907: Jun 6th 2016 at 7:52:52 PM

[up] Yes, that's how the vote split in terms of the electorate, and among the general population of millennials, it was ~55:35 unfavorable/favorable views of Clinton versus 35:55 unfavorable/favorable for Sanders. Note also that the majority of millennials (58%) go so far as to reject capitalism (42% are in favor of it, ~38% favor socialism/communism, and I have no idea what the remaining 20% want); it's probably the furthest left generation in American history, and given the string of disastrous right wing administrations they grew up under, that's not surprising.

edited 6th Jun '16 7:56:15 PM by CaptainCapsase

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#124908: Jun 6th 2016 at 7:59:03 PM

Capsace, just about everything you've posted tonight makes it seem like you're going to wind up voting for Trump out of spite. And it's incredibly mean of you to say Garcon "deserves a Trump presidency", considering the fact that Trump's anti minority policies would absolutely hurt most of the people he cares about.

You're beginng to act like a sore loser, and it's becoming incredibly worrying.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#124909: Jun 6th 2016 at 7:59:17 PM

@Caspase

I am not required to be nice to sore losers. No one else is either. If someone considers staying home because they don't like what some people on the Internet said about their candidate than that person is displaying a pretty pitiful attitude.

Not to mention that given your string of "Clinton is corrupt" posts, you're not exactly in a position to be criticizing someone for telling Sanders to go home to Vermont.

[up]Caspase seems to think we have to be nice to the sore losers among the Sanders fans in order to secure their support. And by nice meaning "not celebrating that the person we support won".

edited 6th Jun '16 8:01:35 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124910: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:01:12 PM

[up][up] He's outright saying Sanders supporters should stay home and that he doesn't want their (white) votes; if that were to actually happen, Trump wins.

edited 6th Jun '16 8:01:57 PM by CaptainCapsase

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#124911: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:02:10 PM

[up]Actually he's saying that the people who threaten to vote for Trump are, for the most part, spoiled white kids, and that elections are traditionally won without their votes. Which is true.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#124912: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:02:29 PM

He's saying that because Sanders supporters are throwing a tantrum that he lost and declaring Hillary no better than Trump.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#124913: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:03:08 PM

Yeah, I'm not gonna coddle anyone if they're gonna get pissy because their candidate lost. Especially not if they threaten to vote for Trump.

If they were even to so much as consider voting for him I have to seriously think about whether or not they actually cared about helping people. At the very least it shows how little they think of minorities and how much they accept fascism and groups like the Klan.

And to be perfectly blunt I have no respect for anyone who even tolerates those kind of groups and people.

edited 6th Jun '16 8:04:52 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#124914: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:03:50 PM

Kind of being hypocritical saying this, but I think this is too personal of a direction for the discussion.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#124915: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:04:06 PM

He said that the douchey upper class white kids who support Bernie and wouldnt vote anyways arent going to be missed.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#124916: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:05:30 PM

I think I'll just post this so we can look at pictures of people celebrating Clinton's victory rather than anger from or at the losing candidate.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#124917: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:06:45 PM

I have to wonder if these people are aware of what most elections (or politics in general) are actually like.

When it comes to candidates that actually become well, candidates up for election as part of a presidency, you are often not going to find someone who perfectly represents your views, or you'll find someone who simply isn't the person you would have preferred to see get the nomination instead. That's how it is the vast majority of the time, it's simply about picking the candidate you like better out of the options presented to you.

I'm not thoroughly educated on Sanders' views, but it seems remarkable to me that he has gotten as much attention and support as he has. That by itself is already a remarkable achievement.

edited 6th Jun '16 8:07:34 PM by wehrmacht

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124918: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:07:32 PM

@Koystra: You do realize tacticalfox said firstly, that Sanders supporters needed to be smoked out of the party and ideally disenfranchised in order to prevent the rise of "a left wing tea party", and that he also "wouldn't necessarily disagree" with a dictator seizing the Republic to prevent such people from taking over the democratic party? He's the spitting image of a left-wing Authoritarian.

edited 6th Jun '16 8:08:00 PM by CaptainCapsase

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#124919: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:08:53 PM

I remember talking to my friend about the election. While he prefers Sanders, we both agreed that Trump losing is still good, regardless if it's Sanders or Clinton. Only one is an actual truly bad thing. The other is a good enough option that'll put the country in a good position. Sanders or Clinton is fine in this regard. It's obviously Clinton as the choice.

If it ain't Trump, good. Cause I cannot tolerate that much bigotry. While my friends and I made a few silly bigot-like jokes("Once you go black, you never go back", stuff like that), we actually aren't racist and don't believe in that bullshit. And Trump is worse than just a racist view, he's literally trying to put the country back a ton of years, by removing anything but white people from it. That's horrible.

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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#124920: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:09:03 PM

[up][up]Now you are straw manning.

edited 6th Jun '16 8:09:56 PM by flameboy21th

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#124921: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:10:05 PM

i believe Tactical Fox did actually post those sentiments.

edited 6th Jun '16 8:10:38 PM by Hodor2

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#124922: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:10:47 PM

[up][up][up][up]I just went over the last three pages and I didn't see that anywhere.

edited 6th Jun '16 8:10:57 PM by Kostya

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#124923: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:11:30 PM

I'm still not convinced she's especially good at dealing with scandals; every time it happens, it becomes a huge issue and sticks in the public consciousness for months.
Pretty much. But you can see WHY she knee-jerks at every one of them. She has PTSD with damn shit and just wants it to go away and just work. She has thin skin.

Because being excited over the demise of a candidate you despise apparently isn't allowed anymore. We all gloated like nobody's business when Romney lost four years ago.
Minority Rules is Captain's argument. Hillary and her supporter need Sanders' voters more than they need her, so to speak. Belittling the Sanders voters makes them stay home.

Bah, let Sander's rich white kids stay home. I bet most of them weren't even gonna go out and vote anyway.
Can we stop characterizing Sanders' voters as just white people. He won the majority every ethnic group's younger voters, white or otherwise, on the whole. Are you trying to say young voters should just stay home. Yes a sizable portion of his voter base is white liberals, but the white liberals are just as much a part of the party as the various minority groups.

Now there's something to be discussed that that white liberal faction keeps chasing the Howard Deans, Mc Governs and Sanders.

[up]Caspase seems to think we have to be nice to the sore losers among the Sanders fans in order to secure their support. And by nice meaning "not celebrating that the person we support won".
There's a difference between polite celebration, and being a sore winner. And way too many Hillary supporters are "Rub the Sanders' voters noses in the dog shit" with how they're celebrating. Rubbing people's faces in shit makes them stay home.

edited 6th Jun '16 8:13:14 PM by PotatoesRock

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#124924: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:12:21 PM

I remember the bit about wanting the so-called Herbal Tea Party smoked out. I don't recall the dictator part.

I'll note to Captain Caspase—look on the bright side. If seeking higher office innately corrupts you, you now don't have to worry about Sanders becoming ever more corrupt and ultimately disappointing you.

[up]Except he didn't tell all the Sanders voters to stay home. He specifically slammed the rich white kids. Who are for the most part, the ones threatening to stay home or vote for Trump. You guys are acting like Garcon called all Sanders supporters rich and white, when what he actually did was attack the ones who are threatening to not vote/vote Trump most of whom are rich and white.

edited 6th Jun '16 8:13:47 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124925: Jun 6th 2016 at 8:13:09 PM

[up][up][up] That was more than a few days ago, I'll find the exact posts.

edited 6th Jun '16 8:13:28 PM by CaptainCapsase


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