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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Of course they did, because it started taking off among desperate supporters of Clinton looking for an excuse to disqualify Obama. At this point, it's a view that's virtually nonexistent among people who would ever consider voting democrat.
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In doing so, you're doing a hell of a lot more to help Turmp than nearly any of Sanders supporters are; this kind of sore loser attitude shows up at the end of any competitive primary; hence we got the start of birtherism as a last ditch effort by Clinton's supporters to force Obama out of the race.
Garcon, I'm sorry, but if that's your attitude than you deserve Trump as your President. Sanders got 45% of the democratic electorate, and even if you assume all caucuses are invalid and all people there actually supported Clinton unconditionally, had enough support that the GOP would win every single seat in congress and the presidency if they all stayed home.
edited 6th Jun '16 7:49:41 PM by CaptainCapsase
On the topic of Sanders voters, I like reading the entertainment journalism of this author Sean T. Collins but tend to disagree with his politics, as he's a huge Bernie supporter.
Anyway though, he cited a statistic that among young voters (not sure the age group- think 18-30?) Sanders got 72% and Clinton 28%. Is that correct? I'm guessing it is and I"m kind of surprised it is that stark.
He also commented to the effect that liberals criticizing Sanders are doing so because they want to cover up the fact they lost that generation. I think he's somewhat more off-base here because while it is a pretty stark separation, I'd bet that of that 72% there's a range of views about Clinton- like I really doubt all of those people hate Clinton and are otherwise disaffected with the Democratic party.
One reason why the number does surprise/disappoint me is that while like some other Sanders supporters who hate Clinton, Collins also dislikes Obama, I'd imagine a lot of that 72% voted for Obama and would want someone like him/favorable toward his policies- and that person is not Sanders.
edited 6th Jun '16 7:51:33 PM by Hodor2
Yes, that's how the vote split in terms of the electorate, and among the general population of millennials, it was ~55:35 unfavorable/favorable views of Clinton versus 35:55 unfavorable/favorable for Sanders. Note also that the majority of millennials (58%) go so far as to reject capitalism (42% are in favor of it, ~38% favor socialism/communism, and I have no idea what the remaining 20% want); it's probably the furthest left generation in American history, and given the string of disastrous right wing administrations they grew up under, that's not surprising.
edited 6th Jun '16 7:56:15 PM by CaptainCapsase
Capsace, just about everything you've posted tonight makes it seem like you're going to wind up voting for Trump out of spite. And it's incredibly mean of you to say Garcon "deserves a Trump presidency", considering the fact that Trump's anti minority policies would absolutely hurt most of the people he cares about.
You're beginng to act like a sore loser, and it's becoming incredibly worrying.
@Caspase
I am not required to be nice to sore losers. No one else is either. If someone considers staying home because they don't like what some people on the Internet said about their candidate than that person is displaying a pretty pitiful attitude.
Not to mention that given your string of "Clinton is corrupt" posts, you're not exactly in a position to be criticizing someone for telling Sanders to go home to Vermont.
Caspase seems to think we have to be nice to the sore losers among the Sanders fans in order to secure their support. And by nice meaning "not celebrating that the person we support won".
edited 6th Jun '16 8:01:35 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Yeah, I'm not gonna coddle anyone if they're gonna get pissy because their candidate lost. Especially not if they threaten to vote for Trump.
If they were even to so much as consider voting for him I have to seriously think about whether or not they actually cared about helping people. At the very least it shows how little they think of minorities and how much they accept fascism and groups like the Klan.
And to be perfectly blunt I have no respect for anyone who even tolerates those kind of groups and people.
edited 6th Jun '16 8:04:52 PM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?I think I'll just post this
so we can look at pictures of people celebrating Clinton's victory rather than anger from or at the losing candidate.
I have to wonder if these people are aware of what most elections (or politics in general) are actually like.
When it comes to candidates that actually become well, candidates up for election as part of a presidency, you are often not going to find someone who perfectly represents your views, or you'll find someone who simply isn't the person you would have preferred to see get the nomination instead. That's how it is the vast majority of the time, it's simply about picking the candidate you like better out of the options presented to you.
I'm not thoroughly educated on Sanders' views, but it seems remarkable to me that he has gotten as much attention and support as he has. That by itself is already a remarkable achievement.
edited 6th Jun '16 8:07:34 PM by wehrmacht
@Koystra: You do realize tacticalfox said firstly, that Sanders supporters needed to be smoked out of the party and ideally disenfranchised in order to prevent the rise of "a left wing tea party", and that he also "wouldn't necessarily disagree" with a dictator seizing the Republic to prevent such people from taking over the democratic party? He's the spitting image of a left-wing Authoritarian.
edited 6th Jun '16 8:08:00 PM by CaptainCapsase
I remember talking to my friend about the election. While he prefers Sanders, we both agreed that Trump losing is still good, regardless if it's Sanders or Clinton. Only one is an actual truly bad thing. The other is a good enough option that'll put the country in a good position. Sanders or Clinton is fine in this regard. It's obviously Clinton as the choice.
If it ain't Trump, good. Cause I cannot tolerate that much bigotry. While my friends and I made a few silly bigot-like jokes("Once you go black, you never go back", stuff like that), we actually aren't racist and don't believe in that bullshit. And Trump is worse than just a racist view, he's literally trying to put the country back a ton of years, by removing anything but white people from it. That's horrible.
Shadow?Now there's something to be discussed that that white liberal faction keeps chasing the Howard Deans, Mc Governs and Sanders.
edited 6th Jun '16 8:13:14 PM by PotatoesRock
I remember the bit about wanting the so-called Herbal Tea Party smoked out. I don't recall the dictator part.
I'll note to Captain Caspase—look on the bright side. If seeking higher office innately corrupts you, you now don't have to worry about Sanders becoming ever more corrupt and ultimately disappointing you.
Except he didn't tell all the Sanders voters to stay home. He specifically slammed the rich white kids. Who are for the most part, the ones threatening to stay home or vote for Trump. You guys are acting like Garcon called all Sanders supporters rich and white, when what he actually did was attack the ones who are threatening to not vote/vote Trump most of whom are rich and white.
edited 6th Jun '16 8:13:47 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
