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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#124851: Jun 6th 2016 at 11:31:58 AM

Jackson also beat his own assassin into submission. And was much more about the common man, at least insofar as the common man was the white middle class of the time. (He was the guy that invited a whole bunch of people into the White House to eat an enormous wheel of cheese, right?) Basically, as awful a person as Jackson was he was better than Trump on many levels, and could kick the guy's ass.

Also, I believe we do have an old thread specifically for discussing the merits of transhumanism. Let's not derail into that, please.

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#124852: Jun 6th 2016 at 11:47:57 AM

Things named after Andrew Jackson don't go bankrupt as often as things named after Donald Trump?

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#124853: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:02:17 PM

Well, Jackson wanted to bankrupt the nation by abolishing non-gold currency. So...

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JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#124854: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:04:54 PM

Lets just say putting ether of them in charge of the US economy would be a terrible idea.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124855: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:10:48 PM

[up][up] Jackson was also alive hundreds of years ago; in hindsight its much more obvious that his economic ideas were idiotic than at the time. Trump doesn't have that excuse.

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#124856: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:13:49 PM

I'm not sure that Trump actually has any economic ideas, other than, "Give me more money."

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#124857: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:15:47 PM

[up] Then again, considering Trump's business performance, won't he find a way to make the US bankrupt?

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#124858: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:18:10 PM

[up][up] The ones he's actually proposed are so vague as to be meaningless. Or mind bogglingly idiotic.

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#124859: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:30:14 PM

Jackson also didn't go through wives like boxes of chocolate the way Trump does. Jackson's wife Rachel was accused of being a bigamist due to the circumstances of her marriage to Jackson (I don't know the full story), and Jackson never got over how much grief his opponents gave them for it, nor did he get over her death, blaming it on his rivals breaking her heart. Like, Trump is pretty much a career narcissist who probably wouldn't give a shit about you if you fulfilled your usefulness to him. Jackson had people he gave a damn about and legitimately cared for.

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#124860: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:45:36 PM

Trump's economic ideas come from what he sees on his Twitter feed. He's a complete ignoramus when it comes to this stuff.

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#124861: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:49:00 PM

I will concede one point in Trump's favor. He seems much more willing to compromise. Jackson by contrast had an almost Nixonian paranoia in regards to his "enemies."

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#124862: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:50:30 PM

Only because he has no real convictions. It's pretty easy to compromise from a position you don't actually believe in.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#124863: Jun 6th 2016 at 12:53:24 PM

It's also really easy to compromise when you refuse to admit you ever had a different opinion in the first place.

edited 6th Jun '16 12:53:30 PM by Zendervai

Mars444 Since: May, 2013
#124864: Jun 6th 2016 at 1:00:59 PM

I don't think Trump deserves credit for living in a time where committing genocide is no longer acceptable.

Especially when he's talking about deliberately executing innocent Middle Eastern civilians for the crime of having family who are terrorists.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#124865: Jun 6th 2016 at 1:38:52 PM

RE: The money argument

It also goes the other way. Even in a "safe" district, if you can make it a near run thing you force the other party to spend money in that district, wasting resources they could spend elsewhere. That, by the way, is an argument for giving your vote to the Democrats and not someone like the Green Party. Even if they don't get as many votes as usual, the Republicans aren't going to panic over a "safe" district where the opposing vote was split between two parties. They will conversely, panic if the Democrats run them close, and then they'll start spending money to keep a district they would otherwise win.

This, by the way, is why I always vote, despite the fact that my home district is the safest Conservative district in Canada outside of Alberta. Possibly the safest following Alberta's shift in their last provincial election. Forcing guys the Conservatives to have to spend money on advertising in a district they honestly have no chance of losing is one of the few joys of living there.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#124866: Jun 6th 2016 at 1:57:30 PM

This is what happens if Trump wins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_yKskuHVxw. Just replace the alien and scientist with a Muslim and Latino.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#124867: Jun 6th 2016 at 2:39:19 PM

The joy of watching even Republicans going after Trump for the comments on the judge. The bit with Newt Gingrich is really special.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#124868: Jun 6th 2016 at 2:48:59 PM

It's not too surprising. Most Republicans that I listen and speak to are pretty unhappy with Trump. Even the ones begging people to vote for him have stated that they are more or less only doing so very reluctantly.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#124869: Jun 6th 2016 at 2:52:53 PM

[up]It doesn't surprise me. It just amuses me. And on occasion, horrifies me. I don't like being on the same side of the issue as Newt Gingrich.

A Republican national security advisor explains why he'll vote for Clinton over Trump.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#124870: Jun 6th 2016 at 2:55:52 PM

I mean, I myself will support Hillary over Trump because, while I disagree with the Democrats, I'm at least willing to call them Worthy Opponents. Trump is simply not a regular politician, having no character whatsoever, and being a genuine bigot.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#124871: Jun 6th 2016 at 2:59:56 PM

I'm inclined toward Clinton mostly because I feel she's competent and I don't trust the Republican party as it currently exists to govern

edited 6th Jun '16 3:00:12 PM by sgamer82

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#124872: Jun 6th 2016 at 3:28:44 PM

Represenative Filemon Vila (D-TX) told Trump to shove his border wall up his ass in an open letter on Monday.

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#124874: Jun 6th 2016 at 3:42:50 PM

@Protagonist 506: And yet, he was nominated by a majority of Republican primary voters. What does that tell you about the party itself?

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#124875: Jun 6th 2016 at 3:51:29 PM

[up]Primarily, that they aren't really great at arguing with Trump. And that people who support Trump are really good at getting out to vote.

edited 6th Jun '16 3:52:09 PM by Protagonist506

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