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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
And now Sanders is burning his Democratic connections, while the Republicans wouldn't let previous deals get the way of stonewalling a hypothetical (by that I mean Clinton gets charged or dies between now and the convention, knock on wood) Sanders White House.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.@Captain Capsase: Hilary's latest statement in favor of a public option wasn't "years ago", it was in May.
Trump delenda estUnder normal circumstances I wouldn't mind him staying in, but with some of his delegates—not just supporters, but delegates—threatening to be idiots at the convention I wish he'd bow out. Or at least tell them he doesn't want them to start anything stupid.
I'll note that I wouldn't mind his trying to go after the superdelegates wouldn't bother me so much if he and some of his top advisors hadn't previously denounced it as undemocratic. You can't have it both ways
.
edited 4th Jun '16 7:21:26 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
I haven't been watching Full Frontal With Samantha Bee but her mocking the whole Nevada convention fiasco and claims of Sanders being persecuted was hilarious.
edited 4th Jun '16 8:14:09 PM by LSBK
Sanders staying in till the last vote is cast makes sense from a perspective of trying to build a network of delegates who want a more left-wing party platform.
He should probably drop out once Clinton has 2026 pledged delegates, but if he simply sticks around till the last primary votes are cast I can understand it.
As for superdelegates, they do need fixing, they need to have them not be in any way stated to be connected to states, if need be it needs to be stated explicitly in the rules that super delegates are individuals who are in no way connected to any state. Don't list the delegates from a state as X pledged and X super, just list all the supers as non-state delegates in their own category.
Oh and I'd take the "Sanders should get delegates from states he won" if he'd told his supper delegates in Clinton won states to back Clinton. If he wants to change the rules he can lead by example.
It is going to be fun. They'll explode, it's going to be "What happened to Hope and Change" times a thousand. The rage at Obama for being a center-left politican who didn't fix everything overnight is going to be nothing compared to the rage at Sanders when he becomes a new-liberal shill and endorses Clinton.
edited 4th Jun '16 8:18:06 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranHillary Clinton scored a sweeping win in the U.S. Virgin Islands caucus.
Hillary Clinton has won the popular vote in the 2016 primary by a larger margin than Barack Obama won it in 2008. Whatever you think of the superdelegate system, it did not decide the outcome of this race.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"John Oliver spoke about this, right now is the worst time to fix the problems with the system, but right now is also the only time anyone cares about the problems, even though the problems have not actually had a serious effect on this race.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranConvenient little chart
. Can't remember if anyone posted it before.
The DNC cannot ditch caucuses by itself, unfortunately (and has any candidate supported/opposed that idea yet?) - these are decided by state law. Only way for the DNC to force anything would be by banning delegates coming from non-rules compliant states from the convention, as did happen in 2008. I am fine with ditching caucuses otherwise, they seem to be messy and lead to weird delegate allocation.
Also, from one of Brae's links: Trump Loves the Military, But Guess Who Got Their Donations?
(technically, "DOD employees").

About half of which was under a GOP President. Just because he barely passed any bills, doesn't mean he didn't get stuff done; he was number one in terms of roll-call amendments passed while the GOP controlled congress, and is up there in terms of successful amendments to bills across all of congress, he's 14th, which is something like 90th percentile considering congress numbers in the hundreds.
edited 4th Jun '16 6:23:51 PM by CaptainCapsase