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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124576: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:12:43 PM

[up][up] There were complaints about CNN and MSNBC not differentiating between super-delegates and normal delegates in their delegate counts when covering the primaries early on, which gave the impression that Clinton had an insurmountable lead before voting even began.

edited 4th Jun '16 2:18:31 PM by CaptainCapsase

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#124577: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:37:12 PM

Bernie math, for those of you struggling to understand you neo-liberal shill

It has been nothing if not entertaining watching Sanders goalposts move as if they were tethered to a SR-71. We went from him winning the popular vote and the pledged count to winning the pledged to "if literally every single super changes their vote to me I may have a chance." Frankly it's a little sad seeing how much of a shitfit the democratic primary has turned into and knowing it's just a bump on the road to shitpocalypse 2016

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#124578: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:40:07 PM

[up][up]Have any of those superdelegates given any indication of moving to his camp? If not, then for all intents and purposes her lead over him already was vast and they did nothing wrong by showing it as such.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124579: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:42:35 PM

[up] I'm talking about before the primary voting even began, and in states where Sanders won decisively whose super-delegates continued to endorse Clinton.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124581: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:48:34 PM

[up] Not when CNN and MSNBC kept insisting superdelegates would vote for whoever won the popular vote, and the democrats continue to claim to be a "big tent" party in contrast to the plutocrats on the other side of the aisle.

edited 4th Jun '16 2:51:31 PM by CaptainCapsase

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#124582: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:50:21 PM

Which Sanders lost anyway to my knowledge.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#124583: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:51:01 PM

I mean even if they did he would still be losing.

EDIT: Sanders was always a longshot and his campaign didn't reach enough people. I mean there were a lot of polls of people having no idea who he is while he's campaigning in their state.

edited 4th Jun '16 2:52:56 PM by thatguythere47

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#124584: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:51:33 PM

[up][up][up]That just seems irresponsible on their parts then but it doesn't actually change anything.

edited 4th Jun '16 2:51:56 PM by LSBK

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#124585: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:51:45 PM

I understand that there's no way that Bernie's winning (good), but I just wanna know what he'll do from here.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124586: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:52:34 PM

I don't think you people have been following this conversation, or you're being intellectually dishonest. I was referring to the beginning of the primary season, before votes had been cast, in response to someone asking if Sanders campaign had been complaining about superdelegates. They had been, early on, complaining about the superdelegates more or less pledging to override the popular vote in at least a dozen states by endorsing; unless you want to assume it was reasonable to believe Sanders wouldn't win any states in the days leading up to Iowa.

edited 4th Jun '16 2:55:20 PM by CaptainCapsase

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#124587: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:54:17 PM

Some superdelegates have moved indeed.

Myself, I think they need to be ditched. Way too controversial and prone to abuse and cronyism.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#124588: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:54:59 PM

That's not being intellectually dishonest. Complain about the superdelegate system all you want, that doesn't change that how it's been set up, Clinton actually did already have a big lead on him.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124589: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:56:09 PM

[up] It is when the news networks were simultaneously claiming that Clinton's lead was insurmountable in January before anyone had voting and also that superdelegates would go along with the popular vote. You seem to think that I'm saying "Sanders is actually winning but superdelegates."

I'm not, I'm responding to a question.

edited 4th Jun '16 2:57:37 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#124590: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:02:54 PM

I already said it was irresponsible of them to do that, then.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124591: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:03:52 PM

I was more talking to Koysta and thatguythere than you, who seemed to be under the impression that I was claiming Sanders actually won the popular vote or something like that.

edited 4th Jun '16 3:04:27 PM by CaptainCapsase

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#124592: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:08:21 PM

Myself, I think they need to be ditched. Way too controversial and prone to abuse and cronyism.
The fact that Trump won the Republican primary shows exactly why superdelegates are a thing. They exist precisely to keep an insurgent candidate from coming in and snagging the party nomination by throwing the party under the bus. Most of the time it's not really an issue, since that sort of situation doesn't come up often. But when it does come up, it's a last ditch effort to keep the party from losing control of the party, which isn't a bad thing.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#124593: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:09:40 PM

That's not what I was trying to say, apologizes. I probably shouldn't forum while tired.

The media is certainly not handling this election well. Trump is essentially the only person they talk about. Even when they bring up Clinton or Sanders it's only in relation to how they'll do against Trump. Make it a drinking game! Anytime you switch over to CNN and they're talking about trump take a shot! You are now drunk enough to watch CNN! You're also probably dead.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124594: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:11:16 PM

[up][up] It's a bad thing when the parties are supposed to be as broad as the left-right coalitions that form under under FPTP voting systems.

[up] The media is responding to this election in the same fashion they always do; Trump is the difference, and he's been playing the media like a fiddle since his campaign started, which is probably why he failed to follow the trend of far right bubble candidates like Herman Cain and so on.

edited 4th Jun '16 3:22:06 PM by CaptainCapsase

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#124595: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:15:38 PM

Nah, superdelegates would not have stopped Trump. Voters responded badly to Cruz's attempt at rigging delegate selection and Trump has all but implied to start riots if the RNC did "steal" the convention.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#124596: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:24:42 PM

More Sanders fun while we're at it: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bernie-sanders-convention-delegates-223848 Hope they're full of garbage.

And I sincerely hope this person is talking about of their behind.

edited 4th Jun '16 3:29:56 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#124597: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:30:41 PM

Ugh. I like the $15 minimum wage (which iirc Hillary has supported) and the other policies they want, but these people aren't helping in the slightest. They're just going to make an embarrassment of everyone. There's a reason I stopped supporting Sanders.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124598: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:33:11 PM

[up] You don't get significant change to happen by sitting down and asking nicely.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#124599: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:36:05 PM

You also don't get it by handing Trump the fucking election.

I know what activism is. People like me have to fight for the right to use the god damned bathroom. But this? This isn't activism, it's being a bunch of whiny babies because their supposed savior lost an election fair and square.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#124600: Jun 4th 2016 at 3:39:52 PM

[up] You don't, but that's not necessarily what these people are intending to do; in the case of the particular example cited in the politico article, they're trying to force the democrats to commit to a platform of a $15.00 per hour minimum wage.

edited 4th Jun '16 3:43:00 PM by CaptainCapsase


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