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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#123976: May 29th 2016 at 12:21:31 PM

[up][up] Polls. Don't trust them — they can be very wrong.

edited 29th May '16 12:21:50 PM by Greenmantle

Keep Rolling On
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#123977: May 29th 2016 at 12:29:25 PM

Especially since there's still two democrat candidates to one republican. That skews it in Trump's favor no matter what. It'll balance out once Sanders is done and his voters start supporting Clinton.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#123978: May 29th 2016 at 12:53:00 PM

Polls. Don't trust them — they can be very wrong.

Yeah, like the infamous Dewey Defeats Truman headline — based on a poll of guys who all voted for Dewey.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#123979: May 29th 2016 at 12:53:53 PM

Or - as in this case - people who haven't cast their ballots yet.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#123980: May 29th 2016 at 12:54:36 PM

Clinton got herself a cabinet position by holding out in 2008. If Sanders wants a Cabinet position that's fine by me. They can go let him be Secretary of the Treasury, or whatever position will let him ride his big bank hobbyhorse.

Clinton did not, to my knowledge, appoint someone like Cornel West to the committee. She did not, to my knowledge demand that people resign from the committee because of her personal distaste for them.

On your second remark, you can't have things both way: either Sanders's supposed "we know what's best for you better than you do" attitude is bad, or he's dangerous for bypasses the economic and political elite and appealing to the proletariat masses directly.

You can absolutely have it both ways. He's putting on an "I know what's best for you" attitude, while simultaneously trying to rile people up against so-called "corruption". There's nothing mutually exclusive about those statements.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#123981: May 29th 2016 at 12:57:20 PM

@ pwiegle: I was thinking of last years' British General Election. The Pollsters got the result quite wrong.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#123982: May 29th 2016 at 12:58:47 PM

Why do people keep taking current polls seriously when it's common knowledge they're almost never accurate at this point?

Dewey defeats Truman really wasn't comparable to what's going on right now, as famous as it is.

edited 29th May '16 12:59:28 PM by LSBK

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#123983: May 29th 2016 at 12:59:54 PM

The polls accurately predicted Trump's dominance over the Republican primaries for months while people tried to ignore them. Just sayin'.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#123984: May 29th 2016 at 1:01:24 PM

Isn't that more of an outlier? Like, usually a type like Trump would be booted out fairly soon? Like, hasn't even run before and that's exactly what happened?

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#123985: May 29th 2016 at 1:13:07 PM

I just don't think it's a good idea at this point to assume the polls must be wrong. The Republicans assumed the polls would be wrong for months, and look where it led them.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#123986: May 29th 2016 at 1:15:43 PM

Is there any reason to assume they're right when they usually are wrong at this point and Trump does horribly with ever demographic except a very specific one?

Like, I get not being complacent but that's not the same thing as treating things as if they're really neck and neck.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#123987: May 29th 2016 at 1:24:19 PM

I'm not advocating that you panic based on one poll made months in advance, but I do think it's a bit complacent to still assume Trump can't win. I wouldn't necessarily bet on him willing, but the possibility is there.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#123989: May 29th 2016 at 1:26:37 PM

Democrats are taking him very seriously, so I don't know where this whole "DON'T GET COMPLACENT!!!1" idea comes from.

The DNC, while confident in a win and a retaking of the Senate, are scared to fucking death of a Trump Presidency, as they should be.

If Obama has to subvert some of his Presidential duties in his effort to get Clinton in the White House, he's going to do it in a heartbeat.

edited 29th May '16 1:27:01 PM by TacticalFox88

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#123990: May 29th 2016 at 1:29:02 PM

Democrats, as in, their leadership or their voters?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#123991: May 29th 2016 at 1:35:26 PM

How would Obama subvert his duties to prevent a President Trump? Obama stepping out of bounds doesn't seem like something that would help Clinton.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#123992: May 29th 2016 at 1:56:54 PM

Maybe neglect is a better word than subvert? I mean, its not like Obama actually runs the country, that's the bureaucracy's job. He has staffers to relay his orders. And he can campaign and make security decisions at the same time.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#123993: May 29th 2016 at 2:13:38 PM

I am not sure if it's legal for a president to actively campaign in an election.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#123994: May 29th 2016 at 2:16:25 PM

It has to be, how else would he campaign for reelection? Now there are rules about using federal builds and funds for it, but he can still campaign on Dem funds and there some level of boost that he gives even just doing presidential duties.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#123995: May 29th 2016 at 2:26:54 PM

Trump had previously complained that Obama had remarked how scared shitless other world leaders are of a Trump presidency while Obama was in Asia last week (I think when he was in Japan for the G-7).

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#123996: May 29th 2016 at 2:29:44 PM

[up] I would have thought that was a plus in the eyes of Trump supporters.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#123997: May 29th 2016 at 2:32:26 PM

It probably is - putting it that way also gives Trump a chance at trying to attract those outside his...core base.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123998: May 29th 2016 at 2:44:05 PM

Depends on who you're talking about; Putin seems to like the idea, probably because he'd very easily be able to manipulate Trump into handing him Ukraine on a silver platter.

edited 29th May '16 2:44:09 PM by CaptainCapsase

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#123999: May 29th 2016 at 2:47:01 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjpBNu1UUAE0MKD.jpg:large

Barney Frank spitting that fire.

[lol][lol][lol][lol]

New Survey coming this weekend!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#124000: May 29th 2016 at 3:00:23 PM

I'd argue that being inclusive, which the Dems are pretty good at, isn't the same thing as being progressive. It's a part of the latter but doesn't necessarily equate to it.

Still, that's a very poignant post.

edited 29th May '16 3:13:16 PM by LSBK


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