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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
X3 It really doesn't unless you stretch to term massivly, the term far left might cover some such folks but the hard left are hard, they're by definition unyielding and often rant about capitalist conspiracies to bring them down.
edited 28th May '16 7:39:40 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Yeah, among millenials, there's about a 58% disapproval of capitalism, and a 46% or so approval of socialism. Even if that gets tempered by age, millenials aren't going to be anywhere near the good little centrists the political establishment would like.
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I repeat: Hillary Clinton actually was making veiled threats of playing spoiler against Barrack Obama in 2008, Sanders has some dumbass supporters of his saying he should do that. You can argue that Clinton was bluffing, and I'd tend to agree, but the fact remains she went there, and Sanders hasn't.
edited 28th May '16 7:45:27 PM by CaptainCapsase
About 58% percent of millennials disapprove of capitalism. You don't get much further left (economically) than that in America. Now admittedly, socialism+communism got around 46% approval combined, which begs the question of what the remaining 12 percent want.
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That actually matches up surprisingly well, if we assume the monarchists want a return to the Ancien Régime in terms of economics as well.
edited 28th May '16 7:52:54 PM by CaptainCapsase
X9 How is Sanders worse, Clinton stayed in the race until June 7th, which hasn't passed yet this year.
X8 Fair enough.
X6 It's a term, same as "generation X".
X5 Could be. That or anarchists.
edited 28th May '16 7:53:07 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranThis notion that there's a revolution coming because of younger voters liking Sanders...younger voters almost always like the extremist candidate. And then, they grow up, and their ideas moderate. Remember Ralph Nader? Remember all the young people who voted for him back then? While some of them have probably stayed "pure" and are backing Sanders now, many of them voted for Obama and many of them are voting for Clinton right now.
Trying to predict what any given Sanders voter will be voting like in eight years is pointless. They could stay extreme. They could moderate their views. They could stop giving a damn about voting altogether.
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Care to give any specifics? Reid seems to have a positive opinion of him, in fact all his senate colleagues do, he's rather the reverse of Cruz in that sense.
It's often not so much that they moderate as the politicians do, Clinton is running a much more progressive platform them she did in the past.
edited 28th May '16 7:58:13 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
You posted a list of people his campaign or supporters had had arguments with, with no specifics beyond Frank and no indications as to what arguments happened to involve him or which just involved his craziest fans on Twitter.
The list claims that there was some arguments with Warren, but it doesn't actually say what happened or who was involved, it just claims that the was something, I'm after specifics.
edited 28th May '16 8:00:14 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran@Ambar: Relative to when they became involved in politics, people rarely, if ever become more conservative or liberal as they age; what moves is the political spectrum, except in rare cases where a very popular administration of one political alignment or the other brings about a major shift.
Public opinion generally agrees with him, on pretty much every issues. In terms of broad strokes (ie "the gains to public well-being would outweight the costs of implementing single-payer healthcare"; investing in infrastructure would benefit the economy), economists do as well, except on the benefit/cost of trade deals.
edited 28th May '16 8:03:44 PM by CaptainCapsase
Reid seems very willing to go to bat for him personally over Nevada, dumping all the blame on supporters and campaign staff instead of Sanders himself. Now maybe that's a political move but it may also be an indicator of a personal friendship.
edited 28th May '16 8:02:01 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran@LSBK
I don't know if I'd say his views are extreme, but the moment people start promising a revolution they are using the rhetoric of extremism. The people who've supported Sanders definitely have a "we're fighting the man and changing the system" vibe to them, one that I find rather amusing since I think Sanders is as establishment as the next guy.
Apparently Sanders just admitted the primary isn't rigged
. If so he needs to make up his mind.
edited 28th May '16 8:03:06 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Do you want him to start the process of conceding defeat and "unifying the party" or do you want him to continue being a thorn in Clinton's side so you can rant about what a bastard he is?
Also, once I again I maintain that "establishment" is a spectrum. DNC Brass versus Independent who had a gentlemen's agreement with the democrats not to run against him since they'd lose the seat to the GOP. That's a big difference.
edited 28th May '16 8:06:38 PM by CaptainCapsase
If he's conceding defeat I'm thrilled. That said—the two things you've just said are not mutually exclusive. Ted Cruz didn't stop being, to use your word, a bastard just because he's not running for president anymore, and Sanders finally conceding that he's done will not make him less of a tone-deaf joke of a candidate. I'll be glad it's over, but it won't suddenly make me like the man or not think of him as an ass.
You've still yet to explain your personal hatred for Sanders.
As for the rigged thing, he's falling in line, that and I think Trump using that rhetoric was a wake up call for him, he doesn't want to be agreeing with Trump.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

edited 28th May '16 7:39:09 PM by CaptainCapsase