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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123826: May 28th 2016 at 7:38:43 PM

[up] You probably would've said the same thing about Hillary Clinton in 2008 when she was backed against a wall and making an ass of herself to an even greater extent than Sanders arguably is right now. She actually did make tacit threats to run third party until Obama came to a settlement with her.

edited 28th May '16 7:39:09 PM by CaptainCapsase

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#123827: May 28th 2016 at 7:38:54 PM

[up]X3 It really doesn't unless you stretch to term massivly, the term far left might cover some such folks but the hard left are hard, they're by definition unyielding and often rant about capitalist conspiracies to bring them down.

edited 28th May '16 7:39:40 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123828: May 28th 2016 at 7:41:02 PM

[up] In our modern society, far-left includes anyone who believes socialism is even today a better system/should eventually succeed capitalist economics.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#123829: May 28th 2016 at 7:41:40 PM

[up][up][up]I doubt it. Sanders seems more prone to this behavior than she is. He does not sound like he plays well with others.

edited 28th May '16 7:42:42 PM by LSBK

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#123830: May 28th 2016 at 7:41:43 PM

Sorry, was referring to what many Americans consider the far left. Let me rephrase:

Younger voters aren't going to suddenly jump to the center left, they're going to maintain their left wing views and goals.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123831: May 28th 2016 at 7:42:45 PM

[up] Yeah, among millenials, there's about a 58% disapproval of capitalism, and a 46% or so approval of socialism. Even if that gets tempered by age, millenials aren't going to be anywhere near the good little centrists the political establishment would like.

[up][up] I repeat: Hillary Clinton actually was making veiled threats of playing spoiler against Barrack Obama in 2008, Sanders has some dumbass supporters of his saying he should do that. You can argue that Clinton was bluffing, and I'd tend to agree, but the fact remains she went there, and Sanders hasn't.

edited 28th May '16 7:45:27 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#123832: May 28th 2016 at 7:44:35 PM

Is anyone starting to hate the word Millennial just because of how over used it is? Because I am.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#123833: May 28th 2016 at 7:46:31 PM

I'm guessing 4%-12% of millennials are hardcore monarchists.

"Washington Should Have Been King 1KForever."

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#123834: May 28th 2016 at 7:47:34 PM

Eh, it just describes a specific generation, like Baby Boomers.

And I'm not saying Millennials want Socialism, just certain policies, like, you know, free healthcare or a higher minimum wage. Restrictions on what companies are allowed to do.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123835: May 28th 2016 at 7:49:11 PM

[up] About 58% percent of millennials disapprove of capitalism. You don't get much further left (economically) than that in America. Now admittedly, socialism+communism got around 46% approval combined, which begs the question of what the remaining 12 percent want.

[up][up] That actually matches up surprisingly well, if we assume the monarchists want a return to the Ancien Régime in terms of economics as well. [lol]

edited 28th May '16 7:52:54 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#123836: May 28th 2016 at 7:50:10 PM

[up][up]Maybe I'm just tired of seeing [up] use it over and over again then.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123837: May 28th 2016 at 7:51:01 PM

[up] We all have particular words and turns of phrase we use a lot, way to often in fact.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#123838: May 28th 2016 at 7:52:35 PM

[up]X9 How is Sanders worse, Clinton stayed in the race until June 7th, which hasn't passed yet this year.

[up]X8 Fair enough.

[up]X6 It's a term, same as "generation X".

[up]X5 Could be. That or anarchists. tongue

edited 28th May '16 7:53:07 PM by Silasw

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#123839: May 28th 2016 at 7:54:42 PM

[up]I don't mean in regards to his campaign specifically. I thought that was pretty clear.

edited 28th May '16 7:55:23 PM by LSBK

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#123840: May 28th 2016 at 7:56:53 PM

This notion that there's a revolution coming because of younger voters liking Sanders...younger voters almost always like the extremist candidate. And then, they grow up, and their ideas moderate. Remember Ralph Nader? Remember all the young people who voted for him back then? While some of them have probably stayed "pure" and are backing Sanders now, many of them voted for Obama and many of them are voting for Clinton right now.

Trying to predict what any given Sanders voter will be voting like in eight years is pointless. They could stay extreme. They could moderate their views. They could stop giving a damn about voting altogether.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#123841: May 28th 2016 at 7:56:54 PM

[up][up]Care to give any specifics? Reid seems to have a positive opinion of him, in fact all his senate colleagues do, he's rather the reverse of Cruz in that sense.

[up] It's often not so much that they moderate as the politicians do, Clinton is running a much more progressive platform them she did in the past.

edited 28th May '16 7:58:13 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#123842: May 28th 2016 at 7:58:01 PM

[up]I posted the list of people he's fallen out with a couple pages back. He and Barney Frank in particular seem to genuinely hate each other which is why Sanders was trying to have Frank removed from his position with the DNC.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#123843: May 28th 2016 at 7:59:16 PM

[up] You posted a list of people his campaign or supporters had had arguments with, with no specifics beyond Frank and no indications as to what arguments happened to involve him or which just involved his craziest fans on Twitter.

The list claims that there was some arguments with Warren, but it doesn't actually say what happened or who was involved, it just claims that the was something, I'm after specifics.

edited 28th May '16 8:00:14 PM by Silasw

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#123844: May 28th 2016 at 7:59:56 PM

Yeah, I've been under the impression that Sanders, even if he's not hated, isn't particularly close to anyone.

Also, are his views even extreme? Like, for Congress, I guess, but it's been mentioned Congress is significantly to the right of the public at large.

edited 28th May '16 8:05:59 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123845: May 28th 2016 at 8:01:23 PM

@Ambar: Relative to when they became involved in politics, people rarely, if ever become more conservative or liberal as they age; what moves is the political spectrum, except in rare cases where a very popular administration of one political alignment or the other brings about a major shift.

[up] Public opinion generally agrees with him, on pretty much every issues. In terms of broad strokes (ie "the gains to public well-being would outweight the costs of implementing single-payer healthcare"; investing in infrastructure would benefit the economy), economists do as well, except on the benefit/cost of trade deals.

edited 28th May '16 8:03:44 PM by CaptainCapsase

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#123846: May 28th 2016 at 8:01:33 PM

Reid seems very willing to go to bat for him personally over Nevada, dumping all the blame on supporters and campaign staff instead of Sanders himself. Now maybe that's a political move but it may also be an indicator of a personal friendship.

edited 28th May '16 8:02:01 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#123847: May 28th 2016 at 8:02:44 PM

@LSBK

I don't know if I'd say his views are extreme, but the moment people start promising a revolution they are using the rhetoric of extremism. The people who've supported Sanders definitely have a "we're fighting the man and changing the system" vibe to them, one that I find rather amusing since I think Sanders is as establishment as the next guy.

Apparently Sanders just admitted the primary isn't rigged. If so he needs to make up his mind.

edited 28th May '16 8:03:06 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123848: May 28th 2016 at 8:04:50 PM

[up] Do you want him to start the process of conceding defeat and "unifying the party" or do you want him to continue being a thorn in Clinton's side so you can rant about what a bastard he is?

Also, once I again I maintain that "establishment" is a spectrum. DNC Brass versus Independent who had a gentlemen's agreement with the democrats not to run against him since they'd lose the seat to the GOP. That's a big difference.

edited 28th May '16 8:06:38 PM by CaptainCapsase

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#123849: May 28th 2016 at 8:06:36 PM

[up]If he's conceding defeat I'm thrilled. That said—the two things you've just said are not mutually exclusive. Ted Cruz didn't stop being, to use your word, a bastard just because he's not running for president anymore, and Sanders finally conceding that he's done will not make him less of a tone-deaf joke of a candidate. I'll be glad it's over, but it won't suddenly make me like the man or not think of him as an ass.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#123850: May 28th 2016 at 8:08:11 PM

[up] You've still yet to explain your personal hatred for Sanders.

As for the rigged thing, he's falling in line, that and I think Trump using that rhetoric was a wake up call for him, he doesn't want to be agreeing with Trump.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

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