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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I'd hardly call a 300 pledged delegate lead a landslide, it's a win and lot a close one but it's not exactly a landslide, likewise it's from just whites voting for Sanders, he's tied for both Hispanics and young blacks, again not more then Clinton, but still a group of people who aren't whites that support Sanders.
Now the vast majority of Sanders folks will fall in line and vote Dem come November, but she may need more then votes from them. The way you win elections if often turnout, that means you need political activists knocking on doors and getting people to the polls, Sanders has a lot of political activists to knock on doors and Clinton may need them to be doing that come November, instead of grumpily sitting in their living rooms accepting that in the end they kinda have to go vote for Clinton.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI was never sure...
Delegates are just party voters, right? They vote on the candidate they want for the party, not explicitly who's going to be president.
That's the electoral college, isn't it...
So even if they did pick Hillary, Bernie could still run as an independent, couldn't he? Never mind that he probably wouldn't win...
edited 27th May '16 12:05:00 PM by Keybreak
You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
He absolutely wouldn't win as an independent barring a scenario where none of the candidates gets a majority, and his participation in the election raises turnout enough to give the democrats the house of representatives. Which would probably go on to pick Clinton anyway unless the mass movement he's been calling for were to actually materialize.
Which is an insanely risky gambit, especially since it's never been established whether the new house or the old house gets to pick a president in that scenario.
edited 27th May '16 12:09:06 PM by CaptainCapsase
He could, but he said earlier on he had no intention of running third party/independent. Probably a mistake on his part, since the threat of a third party Trump torpedoing the Republicans is arguably a big part of why the GOP didn't just change the rules mid primary to screw him over.
edited 27th May '16 12:11:27 PM by CaptainCapsase
And doing so wouldn't have been a mistake, turning off massive amount of potential supporters and causing the DNC to turn away from him? Somehow I don't think keeping that particular option open would have actually helped him. Especially since he hasn't been particularly screwed over in this primary to begin with. He's just been steadily losing.
I'll be thrilled if his sudden 180 and willingness to speak for Trump at the convention is so that he can step up on Trump's behalf and go, "Ladies and gentleman, thanks for having me. I just wanted to say that this man is PSYCHOTIC and a THREAT to our nation and for the love of all that is holy, DO NOT vote for him!"
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Re independent Sander run: From wiki, there are sore-loser state laws
that prevent a loser in a primary from running in the general as an independent. Most states don't apply this to the general election, but the effect is the same because registration deadlines for the primary and the general are the same day.
Interestingly enough, wiki says one of the few states that don't have either is Vermont.
edited 27th May '16 12:27:16 PM by megarockman
The damned queen and the relentless knight."Sore loser state laws"? What even...
Aren't political parties just names? The made-up clubs that join together with similar views to support candidates (partially emotionally and mainly financially) to follow their values? They're legally governed?
You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stayYeah. Honestly, these kinds of laws aren't that common even in European democracies, but a big difference comes from the fact that there's typically more than two viable parties, kind of in line with Washington's advice regarding political parties; that there should be as many as possible if it is impossible to avoid having them. In that kind of system Sanders and Trump would be perfectly welcome in parties other than the democrats and republicans.
edited 27th May '16 12:43:32 PM by CaptainCapsase
If you want to be more charitable, it can also be a preemptive means of screening out "unserious" candidates, since without it what might stop some group from flooding a primary with no-hopers whom the party would have to at least give token monetary support for?
The damned queen and the relentless knight.But people act like there are only two. Is the Libertarian Party unpopular because libertarianism is unpopular? Or because people think the only way to win is to side with the already huge two main groups.
...I wouldn't be a libertarian. Maybe Green though.
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Other countries (mostly in the Commonwealth) require a Deposit
to be paid before being able to run — the amount to be paid, of course, varies by country.
It is not returned to the candidate if the number of votes are below a certain threshold; if the number of votes are above that threshold, the deposit is returned to the Candidate.
edited 27th May '16 12:51:00 PM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnI think that only Republicans and Dems get the level of government support that they do though, I doubt that the Libertarian primary is tax payer funded.
That and you guys don't have party expulsion rules, someone can't be kicked out of the Democratic or Republican parties, if they could you'd probably see more people being kicked out and establishing their own parties.
As for Sanders going third party, him ushering a Trump presidency out of spite would go against almost everything he's argued for and make him go down in US history as a massive traitor to democratic liberalism.
edited 27th May '16 1:08:52 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranPart of the reason that the Libertarian party doesn't enjoy widespread support is simply that there aren't enough real Libertarians in the United States to give it that support. It's basic math. They like to imagine themselves to be some sort of "natural" party by virtue of their ideological purity or something like that, but in reality they're a fringe viewpoint.
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She has the support of the Democratic base. That is why she's winning in a landslide. What she's losing to Bernie are certain flavors of white liberal, college students, and Democrat-leaning Independents.
edited 27th May '16 11:47:36 AM by Mars444