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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#123401: May 24th 2016 at 9:28:51 AM

Hate crimes are reserved for crimes motivated by bigotry against minorities of all kinds. That and it's called the Blue Lives Matter bill. Read between the lines and do some math.

Police don't need extra protections, there are already very severe charges for anyone who attacks them above and beyond the usual assault and battery ones.

This bill isn't about protections, it's about sending a message. A disgusting one at that.

Oh really when?
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#123402: May 24th 2016 at 9:30:52 AM

The problem is that cops have never faced the overwhelming hatred people of color, gay people, and transgender people face. You can't commit a hate crime against a cop because they aren't a minority who have been oppressed. They are a group that often oppresses minorities, and this will make them invincible and stop people from defending themselves.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#123403: May 24th 2016 at 9:31:44 AM

Also, about that employee scenario, that is the employee's mistake, not their employers', so it's not the latter's liability. Also, what Ambar is describing sounds like it would fall under "negligent entrustment", anyhow.

More generally, the Shanksville article still does not explain much of "ties". The only thing I am getting from it is that the Vermont Democrats lost a seat because of a third party challenge on his part, hence they stopped raising candidates on their own, someone called "ties" and there is no detail at all. The recent flap about Vermont's superdelegates also does not indicate that these ties, if they exist, are strong.

edited 24th May '16 10:32:12 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#123404: May 24th 2016 at 9:31:49 AM

Also, #BlueLivesMatter is, well, a reactionary movement to BLM populated by reactionary scum and people without sufficient attention spans or intelligence to check out the people behind the movement and their beliefs.

So, yeah, the implications are not very good. And it's an occupational hazard. You took the oath, you do your job, hopefully the worst never comes to be.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#123405: May 24th 2016 at 9:32:17 AM

On the one hand, I totally get what you're all saying.

On the other hand, there have been numerous cases in the last year of unassuming police being killed in their squad cars just because they were cops.

edited 24th May '16 9:33:01 AM by speedyboris

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#123406: May 24th 2016 at 9:33:38 AM

And there were even more murdered trans people, and even more unarmed black people who were killed by cops.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#123407: May 24th 2016 at 9:34:13 AM

And there's been even more of black children being killed over their skin color.

There are already protections in place for police officers. An assault on a officer is a far more severe crime than an assault on anyone else.

This bill is about reframing the police as victims and Black Lives Matter protesters as "troublemakers" and cop haters. That's why specified a hate crime, that's why it's called Blue Lives Matter.

This is about white supremacy, not police protection.

edited 24th May '16 9:34:57 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#123408: May 24th 2016 at 9:35:29 AM

And #BlueLivesMatter was quick to label them as incidents brought on by BLM racism regardless of the facts.

Again, it's an occupational hazard. You enter that line of work, you should expect to be shot at or attacked in some manner at least once. I would expect that if I signed for the military. Or a PMC. Why would law enforcement differ?

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#123409: May 24th 2016 at 9:45:47 AM

I thought it was about blue supremacy.

I wonder how black cops feel about it.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#123410: May 24th 2016 at 9:50:15 AM

You know what the toughest part about Being a gay black police officer is? The discrimination.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#123411: May 24th 2016 at 9:53:31 AM

On another topic, Silicon Valley is predominantly anti-Trump. Good for them.

edited 24th May '16 10:01:15 AM by speedyboris

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#123412: May 24th 2016 at 9:56:54 AM

You might want to disable that text-replacement plugin.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#123413: May 24th 2016 at 10:01:48 AM

Huh, I'm actually surprised. I always thought SV had a lot of young, white libertarian types.

edited 24th May '16 10:02:11 AM by Kostya

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#123414: May 24th 2016 at 10:18:52 AM

Trump has a lot of socially conservative values, which makes socially liberal people like actual libertarians hate him.

GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#123415: May 24th 2016 at 10:20:19 AM

There is no one currently in the race that appeals to young, white libertarian types. That being said, Trump in particular has threatened to destabilize the tech sector with his immigration policy and trade agenda, as well as siding against encryption technology when Apple tussled with law enforcement. Basically, while Silicon Valley liberals are against Trump because of the obvious reasons, Silicon Valley conservatives are against Trump because Trump in particular threatens their livelihood with his policies as many of them are immigrants themselves who rely on the global economy and know exactly how dangerous allowing a backdoor through encryption could be.

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Shawnsummer7 Since: Jan, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#123416: May 24th 2016 at 10:48:52 AM

So in regards to states passing laws like that against African-Americans and the LGBT community, in which states are they?

For example, the religious freedom laws that just discriminate against the LGBT community. I know they include Indiana, North Carolina, and Mississippi, but where else? How could they get repealed?

Really, I've noticed that in politics, terms like "religious freedom" and "Blue Lives Matter" is just code for discrimination.

edited 24th May '16 10:49:07 AM by Shawnsummer7

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#123417: May 24th 2016 at 10:51:09 AM

Given how they were passed, I sense the only plausible path is the courts.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#123418: May 24th 2016 at 10:52:34 AM

The "Young White Libertarian" vote seems to be getting caught up in the Gary Johnson hype, according to my Facebook friends at least.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#123419: May 24th 2016 at 10:52:48 AM

They're reversals. Saying "They're discriminating against us for discriminating against them!"

Not that the concepts are bad on their own. People should be able to practice religion how they wish and cops shouldn't be killed just for being cops.

But you shouldn't strengthen the police when they already have authority above you.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#123420: May 24th 2016 at 10:55:11 AM

[up][up]Yeah, lots of "Come to us, disgruntled peeps. We have cookies." messgaes on fb from libertarian friends.

edited 24th May '16 10:55:21 AM by FFShinra

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#123421: May 24th 2016 at 10:58:26 AM

Gary Johnson? Who's he?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#123422: May 24th 2016 at 11:02:34 AM

A former Republican governor of either New Mexico or Colorado then turned multiple times Libertarian party candidate.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#123423: May 24th 2016 at 11:02:39 AM

[up][up][up]Their cookies have raisins in them!

edited 24th May '16 11:02:47 AM by Protagonist506

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#123424: May 24th 2016 at 11:03:40 AM

So does this Gary Johnson fella have a chance at all of being a major third-party candidate?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#123425: May 24th 2016 at 11:04:50 AM

Question: what does labeling something a "hate crime" actually do besides make the punishment stricter?


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