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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#123376: May 23rd 2016 at 10:49:35 PM

About that Shakesville article, to me it reads very much like the Vermont Democrats used Sanders as an asset. The case of hypocrisy and being part of the Establishment are not overly strong. And the presidential primary at the start was a Hillary coronation complete with rigging, so I am getting - rather strongly - the impression that it's trying to fabricate a case based on cherrypicked evidence.

Also, the gun liability bill Sanders voted for specifically excludes lawsuits based on defective products and the like, which can still be done - there is a six point list of all lawsuits that are still OK. It also only covers lawsuits based on how weapons were used.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#123377: May 23rd 2016 at 11:33:45 PM

@ Raven:

Thing is, very few businesses are going to be willing to personally test and evaluate all their prospective employees to see if they have the necessary skills and knowledge base to do the job. It's much easier for them if someone can just vouch for the applicants' abilities. That's where diplomas come in.

And the businesses that do that are the ones with Graduate Schemes — in other words, Big Businesses.

edited 23rd May '16 11:34:12 PM by Greenmantle

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#123378: May 24th 2016 at 6:13:19 AM

The problem is that Sanders is appointing Cornel West for one of his reps to the platform committee, a black activist who called Obama "A Rockefeller Republican in blackface" before.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#123379: May 24th 2016 at 6:41:41 AM

Yep, that fellow has soured noticeably on Obama since 2008.

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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#123380: May 24th 2016 at 6:46:33 AM

I admit that my early-1900s politics knowledge is rather lacking, but what exactly is wrong with being a Rockefeller Republican?

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#123381: May 24th 2016 at 6:50:08 AM

It's not socially conservative - Rockefeller Republicans are more focused on business.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#123382: May 24th 2016 at 6:54:05 AM

This West fellow per Wikipedia is one of these people who think Obama is too conservative.

What are the other appointees - not just Sanders' ones - to that committee?

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123383: May 24th 2016 at 6:59:55 AM

@Ogodei: Essentially he's calling Obama a neoliberal in all but name; socially liberal but supportive of right-wing economic policy, and relative to people like West who border on socialism, that's probably true.

edited 24th May '16 7:00:38 AM by CaptainCapsase

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#123384: May 24th 2016 at 7:01:20 AM

Which is kind of ridiculous: Obama raised taxes, instituted stimulus efforts, signed the Dodd-Frank reform bill into law, appointed a chair of the CFPB, fought against austerity efforts imposed by Congressional Republicans, and increased minimum wages of federal workers and contractors by executive order, among other things.

I mean, sure, he didn't tear down the banks and mail everyone $10,000 checks, but that was never realistically going to happen.

edited 24th May '16 7:02:51 AM by Fighteer

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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#123385: May 24th 2016 at 7:17:47 AM

he didn't tear down the banks and mail everyone $10,000 checks, but that was never realistically going to happen.
But that's the only reason I voted for him!

It seems like Bernie is smoking out some of his supporters.

The political lovefest between Tommy Chong and Bernie Sanders looks like it might be going up in smoke, as the comedian complained Monday that the campaign had rescinded its invitation to have him speak at a Los Angeles rally. "I have done lots of campaigning for Bernie, his causes, and the messaging his campaign staff has either emailed or contacted me directly on," Chong wrote on Twitter, adding minutes later: "After months of support and endorsement videos, I have to report that Bernie Sanders pulled away his invite to me."

Later in the day, though, Chong's initital disappointment seemed to soften. "Hey just heard that there was a scheduling conflict with the Bernie Sanders rally!" he tweeted. "Hope to continue my support, reschedule, and continue activism, political change and promoting peace anywhere possible."

In late January, Chong released a public service announcement in support of Sanders. "There is one candidate who stands head and shoulders above them all who has weathered many storms and is totally ready to be the commander in chief, or the commander in kush, as I like to say," Chong said at the time. Though Sanders has pushed for an end to the federal ban on recreational marijuana use, which would leave the question to the states, he has stopped shy of backing full legalization.

Chong and co-star Cheech Marin, better known as "Cheech and Chong," became stars with their seminal 1978 stoner film "Up in Smoke." They parted ways a few years later, as Marin sought more mainstream work, but Chong's dedication to marijuana — in particular, legalizing it — has remained strong for decades. (Including a nine-month stint in prison for selling bongs and pipes online.)

His attachment to Sanders, whom he admiringly described to CNN in January as being "like the best kind of weed you can get, because he's the answer to all our problems," seems to be at risk of burning out a little faster. The Sanders campaign didn't immediately respond to a request for comment on the alleged snub.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123386: May 24th 2016 at 7:17:58 AM

As far as the checks go, we were surprisingly close to UBI being implemented back in the 60's under freaking Nixon. He may not have used the most diplomatic terms, but I think he was expressing frustration with his far right the democrats as a whole have moved economically, even if that trend reached its apex under Bill Clinton's unashamed neoliberal administration.

edited 24th May '16 7:18:36 AM by CaptainCapsase

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#123387: May 24th 2016 at 7:26:13 AM

A bill going through the California Legislature would make it legal to smash a window to save a dog in a hot car.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#123388: May 24th 2016 at 7:30:59 AM

I remember hearing an incident where a guy was arrested for doing that to save a dog in 110 degree heat so yay!

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#123389: May 24th 2016 at 7:31:42 AM

That should already be legal everywhere under some kind of Emergency Situation law.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#123390: May 24th 2016 at 7:45:33 AM

Some people value the car more than the dog. Which is how dogs end up in hot cars with rolled up windows.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#123391: May 24th 2016 at 7:53:53 AM

Can we amend said law to include children?

Yes, people have done that to their kids.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#123392: May 24th 2016 at 7:58:15 AM

[up] A law about kids was already on the books, I think in all 50 states. Animals are only included in 16 states but they include California in that oddly.

I can not find the cali story but the same thing happened in Atlanta too, recently.

edited 24th May '16 8:02:12 AM by Memers

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#123393: May 24th 2016 at 8:42:58 AM

@Septimus

Yeah, they used him as an asset, and he was perfectly happy to take that support. By staying close to them without actually joining the party he was able to simultaneously prevent himself from facing any serious liberal challenges, while maintaining the appearance of being an "outsider". Now, I don't begrudge him doing that as a way to win elections—it's simply good politics, and I'll take him over a Republican any day. But the reality is that he has consistently benefited from his ties to the Democratic establishment in Vermont. He has never faced any serious challenges from the left due to said ties to the Democratic establishment in Vermont. Which makes all his complaints about other people benefiting from establishment ties hypocritical at best, disingenuous at worst.

As to the gun issue, the problem is not defective products. The problem is employees of gun manufacturers not obeying the regulations, and suffering no consequences for it. When an employee knowingly sells a gun to someone who they know is planning to sell it again, and that gun is then used to kill someone, and said employee suffers no repercussions from their employer, the family of the victims should have every right to sue the employer—especially if it's not the first time something like this has happened. The bill Sanders voted for makes it that much harder, if not impossible, to do that.

edited 24th May '16 8:46:00 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#123394: May 24th 2016 at 8:58:21 AM

As far as the checks go, we were surprisingly close to UBI being implemented back in the 60's under freaking Nixon.

Richard Nixon was an Eisenhower Republican (and his VP, I think). Socially Liberal, Economically Classically Liberal.

@ Fighteer: By the sounds of it, methinks West would probably call Keynes a neo-liberal...

edited 24th May '16 8:59:25 AM by Greenmantle

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#123395: May 24th 2016 at 8:59:31 AM

[up][up]That only seems to apply to manufacturers if they sold their products directly to the consumer. Aren't most of the straw purchased guns in the US purchased from an intermediary (i.e. most gun stores)? And that would run into the issue of whether the employee knew that it was a straw purchase - I don't see a requirement for mandatory background checks for relatives or acquaintances prohibited from firearm ownership going over well...

edited 24th May '16 9:01:09 AM by Krieger22

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#123396: May 24th 2016 at 9:20:12 AM

Louisiana is fast tracking a bill into law to make attacking law enforcement and other first responders a hate crime.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#123397: May 24th 2016 at 9:22:34 AM

Wow, and they're calling it Blue Lives Matter too. What utter scum.

Oh really when?
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#123398: May 24th 2016 at 9:23:43 AM

[up] You mean that Police, Fire and Paramedics should be attacked, or have I grabbed the wrong end of the stick?

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#123399: May 24th 2016 at 9:25:07 AM

I'm skeptical. Cops already have weapons. The people they arrest often don't. Making it even harder to resist arrest when someone isn't guilty is...suspect.

Of course, you can't cry self-defense when it's the police.

edited 24th May '16 9:26:05 AM by Keybreak

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Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#123400: May 24th 2016 at 9:27:03 AM

Translation: let's fuck black people over with even more jail time for probably just defending themselves against racist cocksuckers with badges that attack them for no reason.

edited 24th May '16 9:27:48 AM by Ekuran


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