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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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Right wing demagogues have been springing up all over the first world, and have been winning or coming perilously close to winning in several countries; Trump is part of that same trend, and as such there's a very real possibility he will win come November. I'll be quite surprised if it isn't close, at the very least.
edited 23rd May '16 12:13:19 PM by CaptainCapsase
Just to go into how convoluted and fucked up the process is.
I do find it funny (though not surprising, because You Tube) how the comment sections are going on about him "Stereotyping Sanders" with the people actually failing to see how they're conforming to those stereotypes.
edited 23rd May '16 12:26:33 PM by LSBK
I think the most disastrous part of a Trump presidency will be what it will do to minorities sense of citizenship. They are poised to outnumber whites,as a combined group, but do not already. If Trump is elected, even with their full opposition, it will signal that the country does not want them and despises them. I could easily see Black and Hispanic nationalist movement sprout up from a Trump presidency. In the long terms this, could lead to the US becoming a Balkan like tinderbox of ethnic tensions, and could possibly be completed with the South West states voting to secede, ether as an independent country, or to rejoin Mexico.
To put it bluntly if the United States of America wishes to survive into the 21st century a Trump Presidency cannot be allowed to happen.
Edit: And just so we are clear this disaster will be entirely justified, and will be the responsibility of those who vote for Trump, not those who react to their choice.
edited 23rd May '16 12:34:17 PM by JackOLantern1337
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.America's been trending away from right-wing dominance though. Conflating a few European countries with the whole first world is a bit disingenuous. The trend is mostly in eastern, central, and northern europe. Southern Europe for the most part is seeing the left return instead, while the mainstream parties have stayed dominant in the east.
Japan remains Japan.
But the conditions are not the same in the US, is the point.
I prefer Stephen Colbert. He always seems to have his head on straight even when he's acting like a fool.
Though everyone commenting on his videos seems to think that he's biased toward Hillary, even when his audience screams for Bernie.
You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stayPolling right now means nothing. Trump has the GOP falling in line behind him, while Clinton is still fighting with Sanders. Once Bernie finally shuts up and his supporters are forced to choose between Clinton and Trump those numbers are likely to even out.
Out of curiosity, anybody remember what polls looked like at this point in 2008? I don't but I'd be curious to know.
x7 Wiki's collection says
both Clinton and Obama polled higher than McCain for the most part in May. Last poll to have McCain over Obama was a USA Today/Gallup taken May 1-4 (48-47), though Newsweek did have a tie May 21-22; Clinton had a few more losses but majority of polls still had her over McCain more often than not in May.
edited 23rd May '16 1:11:18 PM by megarockman
The damned queen and the relentless knight.I'm aware it's the internet and You Tube. It's why I think it's wrong to but the blame on all Sanders supports but it doesn't make it wrong to call out the ridiculousness when it does happen.
I mean, I get really liking a candidate but the guy isn't Jesus and he hasn't "saved the future" like some of them seem to genuinely believe. That deserves ridicule in my book.
Edit: Also, there's a difference between mocking Sander's supports and mocking Sanders himself. Or at least, in this case there is.
edited 23rd May '16 1:17:17 PM by LSBK
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The belief that an old white guy with twenty-five years as part of the establishment is somehow going to "fight the man" for them is one of this election's more amusing conceits.
And I didn't like her attitude then either—there's a reason I pulled for Obama. Difference between her and Sanders? She seems to have learned from that, given her success this campaign. Sanders is repeating the same mistakes she made back then.
edited 23rd May '16 1:16:04 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Did she learn, or did she just not get backed into a corner this cycle? I absolutely think she'd be threatening to burn everything down by going third party if the polls were reversed, especially since this is her last shot at the Presidency and likely the last cycle before her age forces her to retire whether she wants to or not. She's not that much younger than Sanders.
Also, really? Earlier you say Sanders is a fairweather democrat attempting a hostile takeover of the party (absolutely true), now he's part of the establishment for 25 years? "Establishment" is not the same thing as "career politician." Sanders wasn't a mainstream politician until this cycle, and given he also wasn't a democrat until this cycle, he's rarely had access to the inner circles on Capital Hill.
edited 23rd May '16 1:21:02 PM by CaptainCapsase
If Trump becomes president, it will be because Clinton could not motivate the voters to vote for her. This election is Clinton's to lose. Everything has pointed to the Democratic nominee having more of a chance in the election than the Republican nominee. The fact of the matter is that things do need to change enough to satisfy the voting populace who wants outsiders like Sanders and Trump.
That being said, I expect Clinton will rise in the polls once Sanders drops out, since even Clinton is preferable to the vast majority of Sanders supporters than Trump. #BernieOrBust will collapse once Sanders drops out like #NeverTrump has. The fact of the matter is that the Republican voters are a minority but one that is very supportive of Trump and people like him as Cruz is.
Wizard Needs Food BadlyObama was the candidate of hope. They sidelined Hillary for him.
I liked what he did for gay rights but I never got his health care plan.
Now Bernie comes in with free college and that sounds great, and I seem to agree with a lot of his policies.
But if he drops out, then Clinton would be the next best choice, right? Trump doesn't get any less scary as the months go by.
You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay

What if it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, though?