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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#123276: May 23rd 2016 at 11:00:18 AM

Just about everything Sanders says at this point makes me support Hillary harder. He's doing serious damage but doesn't give a shit because "my revolution is too important!"

Ugh.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123277: May 23rd 2016 at 11:11:04 AM

@Zephyr: Who would you have them vote for instead? Biden doesn't want to run, O'Malley had only slightly more of a presence than Chaffe, and the DNC despises Sanders.

edited 23rd May '16 11:11:32 AM by CaptainCapsase

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#123278: May 23rd 2016 at 11:12:10 AM

The DNC is a group of ineffective cronyists, they don't matter. If you want to talk about Democratic primary voters, then you have a point.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#123279: May 23rd 2016 at 11:15:50 AM

He's doing serious damage but doesn't give a shit because "my revolution is too important!"

But maybe that's the point? Combine Sanders and Trump doing the same to the Republicans, the whole system might come crashing down.

Keep Rolling On
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123280: May 23rd 2016 at 11:17:30 AM

@smokey: Clinton was doing the same thing to Obama in 2008, and dragged it out until June, mid June IIRC, and that primary was much more vicious than this one has been so far.

[up][up] Most of the voters in the primary who were part of the democrats would've been reasonably satisfied with either nominee based on polling, though Clinton was obviously preferred. As far as independents go, Sanders was the clear winner, but that's not a factor in most states. By all accounts, Sanders would be an excellent backup for Clinton, were it not for the fact that the party bosses really don't like him.

edited 23rd May '16 11:33:14 AM by CaptainCapsase

desdendelle Hooded Crow from Land of Milk and Honey (Sergeant) Relationship Status: Hiding
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#123282: May 23rd 2016 at 11:21:54 AM

[up] No, but that might be where it's heading for the US.

Keep Rolling On
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123283: May 23rd 2016 at 11:23:52 AM

[up][up] It might be inevitable however, and if that's the case, the sooner this crisis comes to a head, the better, otherwise you'll be dealing with much more radical and potentially harmful candidates than Sanders or even Trump. By which I mean actual communists and fascists, rather than a center-left social democrat with some possible socialist sympathies and a populist buffoon chiefly interested in the attention that would come with being President.

edited 23rd May '16 11:25:49 AM by CaptainCapsase

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#123284: May 23rd 2016 at 11:38:02 AM

May polling has a history of being odd.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#123285: May 23rd 2016 at 11:39:34 AM

It's because it's so hard to make the ribbons plait right when you have people dancing in two different directions.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123287: May 23rd 2016 at 11:50:03 AM

@Ogodei: Perhaps, but there's been a surge of right-wing demagoguery around the first world, several of which have actually gone on to win elections.

edited 23rd May '16 11:50:13 AM by CaptainCapsase

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123289: May 23rd 2016 at 11:54:10 AM

[up] Not even if Trump is elected, because that's not going to help anyone.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123291: May 23rd 2016 at 12:00:32 PM

Honestly, a Trump Presidency is not going to be the apocalypse. It'd be unpleasant, particularly for minorities assuming he's not faking the blatant racism to get rednecks to vote for him, but I can't imagine it going much worse than 8 years of George W. Bush. Which was already pretty bad.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#123292: May 23rd 2016 at 12:01:44 PM

But Bush's presidency was awful. Anything even approximating that should be avoided at all costs.

Also, is it me or are we treating 8 years of a president as more and more of a given?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123293: May 23rd 2016 at 12:02:33 PM

[up] The number of Presidents who haven't gone on to serve two terms is fairly small, so I'd say it's a fairly safe bet.

Also, yes Bush's Presidency was a disaster, but it didn't bring about the end of days.

edited 23rd May '16 12:03:26 PM by CaptainCapsase

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#123294: May 23rd 2016 at 12:03:56 PM

If Trump is serious about his crime/immigration policies, he'll start Baltimore and Ferguson style protests over the entire country with a wider support base.

If he is serious about his trade policy, he'll drive the world into a global recession (if not a depression) when he starts waging trade wars all over the place.

If he is serious about his Supreme Court appointments (and this is the big one); you can kiss any and all social and economic progress goodbye for the next few decades.

Its not the end of the world, but you can see it from here.tongue

[up][up]If Trump wins and runs the country into the ground, he won't get a second term. Provided the Dems don't utterly crap the bed (and by that point they should have Congress locked down to).

edited 23rd May '16 12:05:17 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123295: May 23rd 2016 at 12:05:40 PM

[up] And that would be a cause for serious concern if we were electing an autocratic ruler.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#123296: May 23rd 2016 at 12:05:51 PM

The most disastrous long-time effect of it would be that he'd thrash the Paris Accords and halt all efforts to combat climat change. That could potentially be near-apocalyptic.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#123297: May 23rd 2016 at 12:06:47 PM

With regards to the Supreme Court, Trump can ruin a lot of things provided the GOP retains the Senate/retakes it in 2018. He doesn't need to be an autocrat to do a ton damage.

[up]Also this.

Plus, potentially trashing NATO and not being there if the Russians and/or the Chinese get greedy. That won't be fun for America's allies in Europe/Asia.

edited 23rd May '16 12:07:45 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#123298: May 23rd 2016 at 12:07:54 PM

@Crimson: So you want someone to blatantly ignore the democratic process just because of polls that don't necessarily predict the outcome?

Again, the fact that Sanders polls better against Trump means nothing if he can't manage to poll better against Clinton, his initial opponent. The fact that Trump "surpasses" Clinton in one poll doesn't matter if Sanders can't get the numbers necessary in regular delegates to beat Clinton.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123299: May 23rd 2016 at 12:08:27 PM

[up] It's several polls now, since the aggregate of general election polling now has Trump up by a small margin.

@Rational: I'm not saying he would be anything other than a terrible President. I'm saying that, especially considering the limitations on the power of the presidency, there's no way he's going to be "the next Hitler" as the meme goes, even if he wanted to be. Some of his supporters (and detractors) certainly buy into that though.

edited 23rd May '16 12:10:55 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#123300: May 23rd 2016 at 12:09:38 PM

Aren't polls at this point notoriously unreliable and also a part of a system to drum up tension where there otherwise would be none, and thus lower ratings?

Edit: Yeah, people shouldn't get complacent, but that doesn't mean we should start panicking, either.

edited 23rd May '16 12:10:26 PM by LSBK


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