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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@smokey: Clinton was doing the same thing to Obama in 2008, and dragged it out until June, mid June IIRC, and that primary was much more vicious than this one has been so far.
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Most of the voters in the primary who were part of the democrats would've been reasonably satisfied with either nominee based on polling, though Clinton was obviously preferred. As far as independents go, Sanders was the clear winner, but that's not a factor in most states. By all accounts, Sanders would be an excellent backup for Clinton, were it not for the fact that the party bosses really don't like him.
edited 23rd May '16 11:33:14 AM by CaptainCapsase
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It might be inevitable however, and if that's the case, the sooner this crisis comes to a head, the better, otherwise you'll be dealing with much more radical and potentially harmful candidates than Sanders or even Trump. By which I mean actual communists and fascists, rather than a center-left social democrat with some possible socialist sympathies and a populist buffoon chiefly interested in the attention that would come with being President.
edited 23rd May '16 11:25:49 AM by CaptainCapsase
edited 23rd May '16 11:55:57 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.If Trump is serious about his crime/immigration policies, he'll start Baltimore and Ferguson style protests over the entire country with a wider support base.
If he is serious about his trade policy, he'll drive the world into a global recession (if not a depression) when he starts waging trade wars all over the place.
If he is serious about his Supreme Court appointments (and this is the big one); you can kiss any and all social and economic progress goodbye for the next few decades.
Its not the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
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If Trump wins and runs the country into the ground, he won't get a second term. Provided the Dems don't utterly crap the bed (and by that point they should have Congress locked down to).
edited 23rd May '16 12:05:17 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.With regards to the Supreme Court, Trump can ruin a lot of things provided the GOP retains the Senate/retakes it in 2018. He doesn't need to be an autocrat to do a ton damage.
Also this.
Plus, potentially trashing NATO and not being there if the Russians and/or the Chinese get greedy. That won't be fun for America's allies in Europe/Asia.
edited 23rd May '16 12:07:45 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.@Crimson: So you want someone to blatantly ignore the democratic process just because of polls that don't necessarily predict the outcome?
Again, the fact that Sanders polls better against Trump means nothing if he can't manage to poll better against Clinton, his initial opponent. The fact that Trump "surpasses" Clinton in one poll doesn't matter if Sanders can't get the numbers necessary in regular delegates to beat Clinton.
It's several polls now, since the aggregate of general election polling now has Trump up by a small margin.
@Rational: I'm not saying he would be anything other than a terrible President. I'm saying that, especially considering the limitations on the power of the presidency, there's no way he's going to be "the next Hitler" as the meme goes, even if he wanted to be. Some of his supporters (and detractors) certainly buy into that though.
edited 23rd May '16 12:10:55 PM by CaptainCapsase

Just about everything Sanders says at this point makes me support Hillary harder. He's doing serious damage but doesn't give a shit because "my revolution is too important!"
Ugh.