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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#123176: May 21st 2016 at 7:40:58 PM

Sanders does know that burning all these bridges is going to come back to bite him no?

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#123177: May 21st 2016 at 7:42:44 PM

[up][up]Given how annoyed Clinton has got over some of the meddling herself, I think she could work to get it.

Frankly, DWS has well and truely earned her potential status as the appeasement package. She's annoyed a lot of people on all sides.

GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#123178: May 21st 2016 at 7:44:38 PM

Once Clinton is the Democratic nominee for President, she will have enough political capital from the mere fact that she is the heir apparent to Obama. The Presidential nominee controls their party's message and are supposed to represent the will of the party.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#123179: May 21st 2016 at 7:44:42 PM

There has never been a bridge to burn when it comes to DWS, she's been clearly against Sanders from the start, and honestly it may prevent other bridges being burned. If he can focus the outrage of his supporters at DWS and away from Clinton then it may both reduce the risk of any damage done to Clinton lasting to the general, make Clinton understand that he is with her and give Clinton an easy in with his supporters if she goes after DWS.

Remember DWS has pulled so many shenanigans to pretty much rig the primary in Clinton's favour that I belive Clinton at one pointed called her out on it.

edited 21st May '16 7:46:07 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#123180: May 21st 2016 at 7:50:54 PM

Yeah, DWS' antics remind me of Nixon's cheating; unethical and unnecessary. Cause no matter what Sanders supporters say, he would still be losing even if DWS hadn't screwed around with a few contests.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123181: May 21st 2016 at 7:51:00 PM

DWS isn't going anywhere unless Clinton somehow manages to lose (which more or less would require her to get a cancer diagnosis or something that forced her to drop out of the race for health reasons); you don't stab your political allies in the back unless you have a lot to gain.

Also, does anyone really believe that the Clinton campaign wasn't colluding with the DNC on this? A token rebuke for getting caught attempting borderline election fraud won't convince me Clinton's at all upset about this outcome.

edited 21st May '16 7:55:15 PM by CaptainCapsase

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#123182: May 21st 2016 at 7:57:14 PM

DWS is an ally Clinton didn't ask for, her shenanigans are probably why Sanders is as popular as he is, DWS isn't just someone's who's doing soggy shit, she's also though guilt by association made this race a lot harder for Clinton then it has had to be. Remember Clinton has called on her to cut this crap and she hasn't, so the move wouldn't be without precedent, and it's not like DWS wouldn't get a very cushy retirement package upon stepping down.

As for a lot to gain, giving DWS the shove would probably lock in Sanders base, now 80-90% of Sanders supporters will vote for Clinton grudgingly regardless, but making them actually want to do it rather then do it out of resigned desire to avoid Trump? That's worth a lot, it might be viewed by the Clinton campaign as what Clinton needs to do to lock in the presidency, as with Sanders base locked in with passion there's no risk of any danger coming at Clinton from the left come the general.

[up] I actually think that Clinton has the ego and pride to not be happy with this. Ignoring Clinton's personal ambitions I suspect that as a feminist she wants to prove that a women can win a nomination and then a presidency off their own back, instead of off the back of borderline electoral fraud.

In the end it's kinda insulting to Clinton's viability as a candidate that DWS thinks Clinton needs to cheat to win.

edited 21st May '16 8:00:10 PM by Silasw

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GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
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#123183: May 21st 2016 at 7:57:33 PM

Yes, if it is clear that it is for the good of the party for DWS to step down, the DNC will be fine with it. As for a possible replacement for DWS, why not have Elizabeth Warren take the role? From what I've heard, she's got a pretty large number of political contacts herself which is needed for the position and is a favored Progressive Democrat. I think even hardcore Sanders supporters would be very supportive of Clinton with a move like that.

edited 21st May '16 8:00:11 PM by GameGuruGG

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123184: May 21st 2016 at 7:59:40 PM

I seriously doubt that's going to happen; the imminent collapse of the GOP means that the democrats as a whole are going to be trying to court over the corporate Republicans and the massive amount of funding they bring to the table, and that entails shifting to the right, not the left.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#123185: May 21st 2016 at 8:01:05 PM

Or it means that with the funding leaving the Republicans the Dems can drop some of their more shady funding and not loose a competitive advantage.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#123186: May 21st 2016 at 8:06:28 PM

Are we really sure that the GOP will collapse? They seem to be doing fine rallying around Trump.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123187: May 21st 2016 at 8:08:34 PM

[up] It's a demographic crisis they're facing; because of a number of factors, millennials absolutely despise them, to the point where conventional conservatives are pretty much nonexistent among that generation. They need to reinvent themselves as a party to remain viable, and that's not going to happen when demagogues like Trump keep coming out ahead.

If Trump actually wins the presidency, they've more or less sealed their fate as a party unless he actually manages to have a reasonably good presidency despite all evidence suggesting the contrary, because that's essentially going to guarantee at least two generations that are predisposed to absolutely hate them.

edited 21st May '16 8:13:33 PM by CaptainCapsase

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#123188: May 21st 2016 at 8:09:35 PM

Doing fine? Considering how awkward much of the party is about endorsing Trump, when normally a candidate is endorsed by 100% of their party? When pretty much all the moderates have legged it and we've got ardent pro-lifers from the Bush-era going to Clinton as the lesser evil? When the Koch Brothers, the money men behind the Tea Partya re considering jumping ship?

The Republican Party is not doing fine.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#123189: May 21st 2016 at 8:13:54 PM

I'm just waiting for a big name moderate Republic to bite the bullet and endorse Clinton. Maybe we could get Schwarzenegger?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#123190: May 21st 2016 at 8:17:20 PM

@Captain Capsase

To answer your question about whether anyone really believes that—"yes". I believe that. I don't think Clinton needs to cheat to win. Of course I also think that the claims that Sanders is getting cheated are overblown at best, outright BS at worst. Sanders and his supporters have made it pretty clear he's not in this for democracy, as evidenced by their love of caucuses which are, if anything, less democratic than the dreaded closed primaries he's been denouncing.

If you want to prove Clinton is crooked you'd need some actual evidence.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123191: May 21st 2016 at 8:19:59 PM

[up] It's not crooked, it's more that the DNC-being a "private" party-is under no legal obligation to follow their own rules in terms of primaries, and they're allowed to self report on violations/enforcements of their rules. They're not supposed to collude with candidates, but they aren't under a legal obligation to do so. In fact, AFAIK they could just declare the nominee without primaries if they felt a pressing need to do so. Thus, the expectation of a cynic is that they will not do so except as it is convenient for them. If rules aren't enforced, they typically aren't followed.

edited 21st May '16 8:26:19 PM by CaptainCapsase

rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#123192: May 21st 2016 at 8:31:38 PM

Getting back to important things, the Senate candidate in question didn't say anything about the mind control satellite technology being connected to the government. On the contrary, her campaign is also about, among such things as ending non-consensual human experimentation, "implementing constitutional justice under the leadership of the US/UN," which implies trust in the institution. She did claim to be under heavy, ongoing sanctions because she blew the lid off this mind control thing, though it's not clear whence the sanctions originate.

(And yes, this is California.)

edited 21st May '16 8:32:57 PM by rikalous

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#123193: May 21st 2016 at 8:56:49 PM

[up] Massie Munroe of Glendale, CA.

She's either taking too many recreational drugs, or not enough prescribed psych meds.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123194: May 21st 2016 at 8:59:18 PM

[up] To be fair, I would be surprised if DARPA and co aren't looking into that sort of stuff. It's a means of padding out their budget when they can't find enough legitimate research to do for whatever reason, and there's always the off chance it'll produce something useful.

edited 21st May '16 8:59:33 PM by CaptainCapsase

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#123195: May 21st 2016 at 9:01:31 PM

The CIA did that in the 60's, the results were: finding out psychics are utter bullshit, radiowaves do jack shit to people's heads and that LSD is one hell of a drug.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123196: May 21st 2016 at 9:08:42 PM

[up] That's pretty much what I'm referring to; that kinda of wacky project is what tends to happen on occasional when an organization gets a blank check in the same way the American military industrial complex gets. Generally they're a bit more subtle about wasting extra money in their budgets, but every so often...

edited 21st May '16 9:09:18 PM by CaptainCapsase

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#123197: May 21st 2016 at 9:08:56 PM

They could've proved LSD was one hell of a drug by looking at Brian Wilson. It wouldn't surprise me if they were spying on him like they did with all those other celebrities in the 60's.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#123198: May 21st 2016 at 9:18:04 PM

I won't be convinced of the GOP's "collapse" until I see the election results in November.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#123199: May 21st 2016 at 9:22:14 PM

[up] Even if they win, they've more or less lost in the long term; Trump would inevitably be at best a deeply unpopular president, and at worst an absolute disaster, and with the GOP in power for four to eight years, that's going to solidify the dislike for them among the youth to the point where I would expect them to become nonviable within a decade in most states.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#123200: May 21st 2016 at 9:46:48 PM

Sanders isn't really burning bridges because he's not a Democrat. Worst that could happen is that the Dems stop playing nice about his senate seat in Vermont and run a candidate against him (although even in Vermont that could end up handing the seat to a Republican due to FPTP).


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