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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#122951: May 19th 2016 at 12:39:22 PM

[up] You know something funny about Joe Arpaio? His parents were Italian immigrants...

edited 19th May '16 12:39:53 PM by Greenmantle

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#122952: May 19th 2016 at 12:39:55 PM

Good. That was long overdue.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#122953: May 19th 2016 at 12:49:22 PM

Watch how nothing happens and he gets away with everything.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#122954: May 19th 2016 at 1:14:47 PM

@Jovian and Fighteer: I'm not sure how willing Clinton will be to call Trump out on policy; the big GOP donors are on the verge of jumping ship over Trump, and with that kind of money at her disposal she might be confident she can just bury Trump with ad money without having to run on a platform that would make the GOP donors decide Trump is actually the better option of the two.

edited 19th May '16 1:15:25 PM by CaptainCapsase

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#122955: May 19th 2016 at 1:27:01 PM

Um, Capsase, you may be contradicting yourself a little...

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#122956: May 19th 2016 at 1:40:32 PM

Cross posted from the Gun Thread.

The Pink Pistols group wins in DC over a police requirement that would restrict access to firearms by LGBT gun owners or purchasers.

The group, which advocates for gay Americans to carry firearms, just won a major victory on Tuesday: a federal judge in Washington halted enforcement of a portion of the city’s strict gun law, ordering Washington DC police to stop requiring residents to demonstrate they have “a good reason to fear injury,” which he ruled places “an unconstitutional burden” on citizens’ right to bear arms.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#122957: May 19th 2016 at 1:41:54 PM

No I'm not? I'm saying that Clinton might think that she'll just be able to bury Trump with ad money and not have to worry about debates and the like, since a lot of GOP donors appear willing to jump ship or are planning on sitting this election out.

That might very well be true, depending on how well the GOP manages to pull together.

edited 19th May '16 1:47:06 PM by CaptainCapsase

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#122958: May 19th 2016 at 1:55:46 PM

I'm sure that law meant well, but forcing people to pre-emptively prove a future self-defense claim seems like a really convoluted method of gun control. End result: the only people who get to carry a gun are the ones planning to shirk the law anyway.

I can see why this would be a rather alarming outcome for the LGBT community. I wholeheartedly agree with the judge's decision.

edited 19th May '16 1:56:21 PM by TobiasDrake

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#122959: May 19th 2016 at 2:10:55 PM

Why would Clinton make a policy shift that would alienate her base in order to pick up big money donors, when we've seen in the past the having a ton of money is far from the be-all end-all of elections? (Republicans outspent Democrats something like 4-to-1 in 2008 and still got slaughtered, for instance.) Even if you assume that Clinton is a soulless political shill who will do anything to get elected (which isn't a given, but just for the sake of argument), it's a stupid move in a purely tactical sense.

The benefit of being able to run a massive ad campaign is to get your base excited and motivate them to vote for you. Alienating your base in order to secure your base is the definition of self-defeating.

edited 19th May '16 2:11:55 PM by NativeJovian

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#122960: May 19th 2016 at 2:25:55 PM

[up] Because getting the GOP's big donors to jump ship would very likely spell the end of the GOP as an effective political force if she managed to pull it off?

edited 19th May '16 2:26:05 PM by CaptainCapsase

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#122961: May 19th 2016 at 2:28:19 PM

If you haven't noticed, the GOP's big donors loathe Clinton.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#122962: May 19th 2016 at 2:28:36 PM

[up] They also loathe Trump; it's an opportunity that I admit looks quite tempting.

edited 19th May '16 2:29:16 PM by CaptainCapsase

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#122963: May 19th 2016 at 2:30:48 PM

Clinton could spend $2 billion on this election but if her policies shift to the right to attract a hypothetical group of disaffected Republicans, she could easily lose the election by alienating Democratic voters. I don't see that happening.

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#122964: May 19th 2016 at 2:33:56 PM

[up][up] They've been hating Clinton a lot longer than they've been hating Trump.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#122965: May 19th 2016 at 2:36:15 PM

And some are warming up to Trump.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#122966: May 19th 2016 at 3:54:28 PM

[up] Nobody has stepped up to the plate to run third party, so they're considering their options it would seem.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#122967: May 19th 2016 at 4:11:12 PM

I think that after the Nader debacle may have set the apocalypse in motion, we've learned our lesson.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#122968: May 19th 2016 at 4:12:34 PM

The only policy set she will use to attract the GOP is on foreign policy, for those who don't want to be isolationist. She can't burn that bridge with the Dems because she's already to the right of Dems on that issue.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#122969: May 19th 2016 at 4:37:02 PM

I think that if anything, Clinton's support on the right will come from renegade Republicans. Unfortunately, Faux News has decided to endorse Trump, so they won't be running Koch-sponsored ads saying "Vote for the enemy: It's important."

Clinton herself will be appealing to...everyone except the Trump set. She's strong on foreign policy, so that might win Republicans but not a lot - but while she's not particularly liked, she's known and (grudgingly) respected across the spectrum and Sanders has forced her to stake out some actual leftist territory like expanding Obamacare and a federal living wage.

edited 19th May '16 4:37:27 PM by Ramidel

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#122970: May 19th 2016 at 5:06:01 PM

Clinton could spend $2 billion on this election but if her policies shift to the right to attract a hypothetical group of disaffected Republicans, she could easily lose the election by alienating Democratic voters. I don't see that happening.
Her supporters/staff are doing exactly that. They're trying to coax the Bush Donors over.

(Politico) Hillary allies target Bush donors: "Their message to moderate Republicans: She represents your values better than Trump."

Clinton and/or her allies will chase the wrong pony, thinking themselves clever.

In support of that notion, it's been said that the 2008 primaries were a lot more unfriendly than this one.
And Hillary didn't drop out 'til Early June, swearing she'd go to the convention to not waste the votes of her supporters.

edited 19th May '16 5:07:35 PM by PotatoesRock

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#122971: May 19th 2016 at 5:15:41 PM

[up]She has me convinced! #Never Trump

Though I'm not sure if I would call Trump technically more Republican than me. I don't think he represents Republican values well.

edited 19th May '16 5:16:02 PM by Protagonist506

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#122972: May 19th 2016 at 5:19:41 PM
majoraoftime (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#122973: May 19th 2016 at 5:19:55 PM

[up][up] What exactly are "Republican values"? Maybe more to the point, who is defining these values?

edited 19th May '16 5:20:14 PM by majoraoftime

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#122974: May 19th 2016 at 5:28:50 PM

[up]Ok, to be fair, I am here. And, semantically speaking the Republican Party is a party not an ideology-they change policies and interests.

Having said that, I'd use someone like W. Bush or Rubio as not-very-good but passable examples. Go back a bit further you might use Reagan as an example, but he'd be more moderate by today's standards. And of course, there's Lincoln.

edited 19th May '16 5:29:51 PM by Protagonist506

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