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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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Pretty much.
Marx was pretty good at analyzing the detrimental effects of the still relatively new phenomenon of industrial capitalism, but his solutions were, lacking to say the least.
That he also inspired a bunch of nutty revolutionaries and other ideological nonsense is just the icing on the cake really.
edited 18th May '16 9:09:37 AM by Mio
@K Kho: It's been acknowledged in this thread several times that people wanting to do violence will turn to other weapons. It's also been pointed out that you can hurt a lot less people with a knife in the same way you can with a gun, especially if we're talking about the whole school shooting thing. (This was SEVERAL pages back)
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edited 18th May '16 9:13:35 AM by AceofSpades
You're still not telling me what gun control he's opposed. Also the factors that lead to all forms of violence are kinda the factors that lead to gun violence as well, that's kinda how crime and violence works.
That's not what the Assault Weapons Ban was about, automatic weapons were effectively banned from civilian use in 1986, when Sanders was 22 (Edit: my numbers are bad, he was 45, still the point stand, he wasn't even a congressmen at the time). The Assault Weapons Ban focused primarily on banning guns for the way they looked or for having features that had no impact on how much damage they could do.
edited 18th May '16 10:16:48 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran"U.S. presidential campaigns targeted by hackers: U.S. spy chief's office" - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Y929G
Pretty sure Sanders is older than 52.
edited 18th May '16 9:56:00 AM by sgamer82
Not that odd when you consider King's primary focus was opposing Jim Crow legislation in the South. De facto descrimination in urban communities above the Mason-Dixon line was something he had less experience with. Even he was flabbergasted when repressed anger finally boiled over and inner city folks rioted and destroyed their own communities. He was pivoting to a more broad focus on poverty nation-wide but his assassination screwed those plans over.
@Armbar
I really don't get the "closet racist" remark for Sanders from you. Seriously, the guy was literally on the front lines of the Civil Rights movement, when you could get beaten just for doing so. Saying he might be a little outdated on what major complaints minorities have is a fairer assessment, but racist?
Right you are - it was in Armbar's block o' text, which still doesn't make sense. Ditto for sexist, since Sanders pushes hard on the minimum/equal wage front. And out of curiosity, where the fuck did the "repressed if you haven't had sex by 13" line come from?
edited 18th May '16 10:31:41 AM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
X3, X4 Brain fart fixed.
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Not really, in the end Sanders has since then interacted largely white people, he's become colour blind and in many ways is proof that being colour blind isn't a good thing, because all he sees is eccentric inequality.
Fighteer just said that he doesn't think/isn't convinced that Sanders is one...
He's got subconscious racism that doesn't really let him see the big picture on some of the things he says or will do. It's why every election will always be a choice between a lesser evil and greater evil, because even if you do seemingly make all the right choices you're not going to be exempt from the xenophobic fear and hatred of the other lodged deep in your brain.
@ironballs: there was an article posted outlining why a guy didn't support Sanders and it included that bit, with a lot of links. Here's the article again, but it's kind of long.
https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699#.dh758yiyq
It's a pretty in depth article.
Romney nixes independent campaign completely.
I'm not disputing his progressive credibility, whatever that means, only saying that I am more inclined to trust someone who has done their homework and isn't trying to sell plans whose numbers don't add up. That's supposed to be a Republican thing.
Mao got us China, and while it's certainly had a lot of success growing out of a subsistence economy to an industrial export economy, it's got some major hurdles to jump over, and it could hardly be said to be practicing strict Maoism these days. There's also the whole genocide thing...
Which Goldman are you referring to?
edited 18th May '16 11:22:47 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Septimus, was that at me? Because I wasn't even posting it in response to the gun issue, which I've honestly kind of tuned out on lately. It was just in response to Ironballs' question of where the weird sex issue came from. Though the article does cover a broad swathe of issues as things the author has problems with regarding Sanders's campaign.
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edited 18th May '16 11:24:42 AM by Greenmantle
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You don't know me very well if you think I'd consider anarchism to be a viable form of political-economic ideology. Certainly, however, it has contributed some useful insights to our modern discourse.
edited 18th May '16 11:26:37 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Ugh, reading blogs like that make my brain hurt, especially when they blow the smallest things way the hell up. In the case of the source-of-source for that post, Sanders saying that "what the mother taught" her daughter about sex equals dismissing the existence of Patriarchy (because it didn't mention the father) and buying into a different version of it via the boyfriend. My interpretation of the sentence boils down to "Making her own informed decision rather than listen to the bogeyman when it comes to sex".
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Anarchy is the larval form of feudalism.
It has certainly been interesting seeing how Sanders's campaign has devolved since the primaries began. He started out acting like the Second Coming of Obama but now he's just coming off as a sore loser.
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@ Fighteer:
By unrealistic, you mean Marx, Engels, Mao, Goldman and many, many others?
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