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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#122676: May 17th 2016 at 5:20:18 PM

@Rational: Perhaps if the democrats don't want the left becoming militant, they should actually start getting some results?

Anyway, I'm reserving judgement. There's no way to know what's been said in private between the campaigns, so there's no way of knowing whether what concessions Clinton has offered yet.

edited 17th May '16 5:22:54 PM by CaptainCapsase

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#122677: May 17th 2016 at 5:27:19 PM

The dems have been getting results, even with the GOP becoming a blackhole of obstruction. And they are willing to destroy it all by throwing a bitchfit, not voting for Clinton and getting Trump elected.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
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Vampire Hunter
#122678: May 17th 2016 at 5:30:34 PM

Republican voters aren't numerous enough to win an election, especially if the few establishment republicans left are pushed away.

Unfortunately, I do not have your optimism that Republican voters aren't numerous enough to win an election when Republicans have been gaining control of Congress. From what I have seen so far, the Democratic Party have become a presidential party and the Republican Party have become a congressional party.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#122679: May 17th 2016 at 5:32:52 PM

[up][up] If you believe a major political crisis is inevitable, it's arguable that we are currently in a better position to face it now (in terms of the stability of the government) than in an unspecified future. I don't agree with that line of reason, but it exists, and I'm willing to respect it.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#122680: May 17th 2016 at 6:03:47 PM

[up][up] The House is gerrymandered to shit, the Dems won more votes for the House in 2012 then the Republicans did, the losses in 2014 came on the back of 36% turnout in midterms.

They're not numerous enough to win a presidential year election, they're committed enough to a win a midterm one where two third of the country doesn't vote, but that's not them winning, it's the Dem's loosing by not turning up.

Here are the death threats, and they aren't just on social media (of course, that's not alright either). They were phone calls.

Yeah that's some nasty shit, so far it seems to just be one incident and everyone who knows Sanders has commented that there's no way he's okay with it, likewise his campaign have said that people shouldn't be doing it.

It's possibly that the Nevada lot might kick off at the convention, but there's no indication that any other group of Sanders supporters are going to act in thsi way, this is the first actual report we've gotten.

Hell even that lot aren't liable to kick off unless the convention is closed the moment Clinton gets the nomination and the delegates are denied their chance to vote on party policy. Now if the DNC denies the delegates the chance to vote on party policy you might well see a riot, it would be incredibly anti-democratic to deny delegates the right to vote on party policy if that's how the convention works per the rules.

edited 17th May '16 6:04:07 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#122681: May 17th 2016 at 6:08:15 PM

God damn, the Kentucky primary is tight.

Lexington Democratic Mayor Jim Gray has won the party's nomination for Senate, setting the stage for him to take on Republican Senator Rand Paul (R-KY).

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#122682: May 17th 2016 at 6:08:46 PM

Some of those people might riot even if they lose fair and square.

Edit: Not too worried about Kentucky, every time Sanders fails to win a state decisively (like 66%+) Clinton is one step closer to mathematically winning in pledged delegates.

edited 17th May '16 6:10:11 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#122683: May 17th 2016 at 6:38:19 PM

The more I think about it, its interesting how openly liberal websites and groups have responded to this primary.

Daily Kos and TPM are both Pro-Clinton.

The Young Turks, Common Dream, Salon, and the Huffington Post are Pro-Sanders.

Think Progressive and Media Matters seem to be ignoring the Dem Primary in order to shit on the GOP 24/7.

Addicting Info is just blindly praising both candidates.

Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) said he was “surprised” by what he called a "silly statement" issued by Bernie Sanders defending his supporters after chaos erupted at Nevada's convention.

Sanders campaign manager: There will be no violence at the national convention..

edited 17th May '16 6:47:58 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#122684: May 17th 2016 at 7:23:12 PM

If Sanders is refusing to condemn the violence of his supporters he's an idiot.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#122685: May 17th 2016 at 7:43:25 PM

South Carolina bans abortion after 19 weeks.

Kansas Governor Brownback (R) signed a bill that will reduce the number of consecutive months families can receive welfare.

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#122686: May 17th 2016 at 7:51:36 PM

I'm sorry, but after that statement, Sanders can go fuck himself.

That statement should've been a full blown rebuke of the violence and death threats, but instead it's a backhanded apology with "Well, you shouldn't have made them mad!"

He's literally implicitly egging on violence.

If he keeps this up, I wouldn't be surprised if he lost all influence, committee assignments, etc.

And I wouldn't give a single fuck.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#122687: May 17th 2016 at 7:57:33 PM

And my sympathy for Sanders is officially dead. You condemn violence. Doesn't matter if it's somebody bombing a Klan rally, you condemn it. Violence cannot be a part of the political process in a democracy.

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#122688: May 17th 2016 at 8:00:03 PM

On Becoming Anti-Bernie

Just came across this today. It was pretty interesting. Although the most interesting part is that most of the "rebuttals" I found consist of simply stating that the author is a corporate lawyer. One of the biggest problems with the Sanders campaign is how he accuses everyone who disagrees with him of being a corporate shill and every election he loses is due to fraud. It's like the Bernie Bros don't even believe that I exist.

edited 17th May '16 8:00:47 PM by storyyeller

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#122689: May 17th 2016 at 8:06:22 PM

Yeah, I'm sorry but fuck Sanders. He's actually making me feel a lot of contempt for left-wing, activist politics; he's throwing away all practicality and increasingly any sanity in the name of his damned revolution.

And the local Democrats are tentatively calling Kentucky for Clinton, though there's likely to be a recount.

edited 17th May '16 8:07:34 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#122690: May 17th 2016 at 8:08:55 PM

I'm not enough of an expert on fetal development to comment on South Carolina's ban, though I'm usually suspicious of any limitations on abortion.

Edit: read through the article. I'm now safe saying Fuck South Carolina. Especially after removing the bits about rape and incest.

@Bernie: Its very disheartening to see him act like this. I trusted him, and voted for him in the primaries. Now I'm regretting supporting him at all. Its a shame too, as I liked that he was trying to pull us to the left.

edited 17th May '16 8:11:10 PM by smokeycut

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#122691: May 17th 2016 at 8:16:17 PM

I wish Warren ran instead of Bernie.

It's a shame that this is what's going to lead to Clinton losing...

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#122692: May 17th 2016 at 8:17:35 PM

Clinton ain't losing yet, though.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#122693: May 17th 2016 at 8:18:45 PM

Ilovedogs, you're jumping to a conclusion that has no proof. Just because Sanders is being a butt doesn't mean Clinton's going to lose anything.

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#122694: May 17th 2016 at 8:19:00 PM

I am worried that Bernie doesn't care about whether Democrats win though. He's been attacking Clinton long after the point where he had any chance of winning, and while he isn't directly responsible for his supporters, it feels like he is feeding their conspiracy theories and distruct.

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#122695: May 17th 2016 at 8:19:22 PM

Against Trump? I hope not, but no one knows what will happen, and if I get myself hysterical about the worst case scenario it's more of a relief when I see it not come to pass. Of course, if it does come to pass, then I'd have a heart attack, but...

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#122696: May 17th 2016 at 8:20:37 PM

And when all three candidates are at exhausted from fighting each other, I shall rise out and claim victory! Mwahahahaha.

Leviticus 19:34
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#122697: May 17th 2016 at 8:21:33 PM

At this point, Bernie's looking into the abyss and the abyss is staring back. He's turned into the left-wing Trump.

Ugh...and all of this is making me think of an old Bob Dylan song about him getting disillusioned with this kind of crock.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#122698: May 17th 2016 at 8:30:54 PM

That article pretty much sums up my opinion. Also provided a link to this. Can you imagine if Clinton had done that? The outrage that would be coming from the Sanders supporters?

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#122699: May 17th 2016 at 8:35:02 PM

Still, this doesn't feel right. As much as I'm having issues with Bernie, and as capable as Hillary may be, she will still continue the many horrible things that Obama has done.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#122700: May 17th 2016 at 8:37:03 PM

I thought Obama was just fine, if a bit too left for my tastes.

Leviticus 19:34

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