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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#122651: May 17th 2016 at 1:27:53 PM

In fairness, doesn't Britain have a multi-party party system.

Yes but a FPTP one, where seats are only competitive between two parties, and the only two parties that are competitive in enough seats to form a goverment are Labour or the Conservatives.

As for the Democrats, I don't get how the convention can be contested.

It will be contested only in the sense that the vote for Clinton to be the nominee will be an actual vote, instead of a purely ceremonial one where everyone votes for her. That Sanders will be using his delegates to push for alterations to the policy platform.

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#122652: May 17th 2016 at 1:43:29 PM

Based on what just happened in Nevada, it seems possible that Sanders' delegates will riot at the national convention.

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#122653: May 17th 2016 at 1:44:38 PM

And when that happens, it will overshadow Clinton's victory and lead to Trump winning?

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#122654: May 17th 2016 at 1:45:34 PM

God they better not. I'm really starting to regret throwing my hat in with these people to be honest.

Oh really when?
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#122655: May 17th 2016 at 1:53:17 PM

Yeah, disappointing to hear that Sanders didn't tell the delegates in Nevada to quit making him look bad, if nothing else. I understand being pissed off at what happened (as it literally gave Hillary the win), but going to the point of nearly rioting because of it is a huge instance of Not Helping Your Case.

That said, I can see Sanders' point regarding the convention and trying to flip Superdelegates to his side - he's consistently polled much better than Clinton in a matchup against Trump, though whether that would remain true is obviously in doubt.

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#122656: May 17th 2016 at 2:07:23 PM

[up] That, and when he did win by a large margin, he hardly got that much more than Clinton.

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#122658: May 17th 2016 at 2:09:07 PM

If more people are currently voting for Clinton then how well he theoretically polls (because that doesn't actually prove he'd win) against Trump doesn't actually fucking matter as a practical issue. We have primaries to choose the candidate these days, we don't just let the conventions choose them.

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#122659: May 17th 2016 at 2:09:56 PM

So, could there be rioting at both the Republican (due to Trump's supporters) and Democrat (due to Sanders' supporters) Conventions? surprised

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#122660: May 17th 2016 at 2:10:33 PM

Well, Trump's supporters have no reason to riot now, unless the RNC tries to pull some kind of coup on him. They got what they wanted already.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#122661: May 17th 2016 at 2:16:22 PM

If anything, it'd be the Never Trump movement that'd start trouble.

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#122662: May 17th 2016 at 2:24:29 PM

It's toothless, as we've seen so obviously in the news reporting about it. I wouldn't put it past them to try something, but it will be pretty weaksauce if so.

edited 17th May '16 2:24:51 PM by Fighteer

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#122663: May 17th 2016 at 2:41:17 PM

The most vocal of the Anti-Trumpers are quickly being marginalized. Just look at all the shit Mitt Romney, Ben Sasse, and Bill Kristol are getting from there fellow conservatives.

People are demanding that Paul Ryan endorse Trump already.

While they might not like Trump, a majority of Republican politicians and party leaders are either in favor of supporting the nominee or will chose to remain silent.

Unless Romney chooses to run again, the GOP is stuck with Trump.

The Republican Party’s civil war ended before it started.

edited 17th May '16 2:48:28 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#122664: May 17th 2016 at 2:43:45 PM

Based on what just happened in Nevada, it seems possible that Sanders' delegates will riot at the national convention.

Is the DNC planning on pulling Nevada levels of vote rigging at the convention? Because if it is there'd be reason to riot (it would also prove the DNC crazy, as Clinton has won without them rigging the vote), and if they don't there's no reason to think Sanders supporters would riot except a belief that they're all just like idiots on social media.

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#122665: May 17th 2016 at 2:59:07 PM

What, were the votes in Nevada actually rigged? What happened there?

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#122666: May 17th 2016 at 3:00:52 PM

[up] See my video.

I personally don't think it was rigged, but our primary system is a convoluted mess.

Donald Trump said he would repeal most of Dodd-Frank and renegotiate Paris climate accord.

He also wants to talk to Kim Jong Un to try to stop Pyongyang's nuclear program

edited 17th May '16 3:06:45 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#122667: May 17th 2016 at 3:03:01 PM

The Nevada caucuses have been a mess in general. In fact, the RNC will almost certainly kick Nevada off their "early state" list because of these events in the R caucus.

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#122668: May 17th 2016 at 3:46:48 PM

The issue is that the Republican Party is actually not that divided. Yes, the Republican "Establishment" had been fighting tooth and nail to get their candidates like Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio in power, but the Republican voters pretty much marginalized the "Establishment" in favor of candidates like Trump and Cruz. Most Republican voters would have been happy if Cruz won instead of Trump since the difference between the two is motive (Trump is motivated by his own ego while Cruz is motivated by his belief in God). It's pretty much democracy in action.

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#122669: May 17th 2016 at 4:22:53 PM

It was rigged or extensively fucked with, it's all pretty messy, that's on top of whatever the fuck happened in Arizona, which has already got people suspicious of the DNC playing incredibly dirty.

[up] Republican voters aren't numerous enough to win an election, especially if the few establishment republicans left are pushed away.

edited 17th May '16 4:24:04 PM by Silasw

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#122670: May 17th 2016 at 4:46:53 PM

The annoying thing is that Clinton probably would have won anyway. This all feels very Dick Dastardly Stops to Cheat.

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#122671: May 17th 2016 at 4:58:06 PM

He also wants to talk to Kim Jong Un to try to stop Pyongyang's nuclear program
.

That's fucking hilarious.

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#122672: May 17th 2016 at 5:00:00 PM

Sanders' supporters are starting to look a like a left-wing version of the Tea Party. Seriously, death threats towards DNC leaders and their families? Sanders needs to bring them in line or drop out, he's only damaging the party and potentially encouraging people when his silence tactility encourages this shit.

edited 17th May '16 5:16:00 PM by Rationalinsanity

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#122673: May 17th 2016 at 5:00:44 PM

[up][up]They do have a surprising amount in common- small-fingered megalomaniacs with who are friends with Dennis Rodman.

edited 17th May '16 5:01:00 PM by Hodor2

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#122674: May 17th 2016 at 5:00:47 PM

[up]X4 I mean Clinton would have won those places anyway and even without winning them she'd still be winning the primary, hell it's not even her behind it. But yeah it's all very unnecessary and I doubt Clinton appreciates it.

[up]X2 Death threats? Since when did that start happening, I mean happening off of social media, you can find 'supporters' of anyone throwing around death threats on social media, death treats are pretty much a greeting on social media.

edited 17th May '16 5:02:10 PM by Silasw

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#122675: May 17th 2016 at 5:07:08 PM

[up]http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/17/politics/democrat-bernie-sanders-revolt/index.html

Here are the death threats, and they aren't just on social media (of course, that's not alright either). They were phone calls.

After Sanders supporters thought the convention was being shut down prematurely, loud shouting ensued and there were reports of chairs being hurled. The phone number and address of the chairwoman of the Nevada Democratic Party, Roberta Lange, was posted on social media prompting a flood of more than 1,000 calls, angry voicemails, text messages and even death threats. This is a citizen of the United States of America and I just wanted to let you know that I think people like you should be hung in a public execution to show this world that we won't stand for this sort of corruption," an unidentified male caller said on the message, provided to CNN and other news outlets. "I don't know what kind of money they are paying to you, but I don't know how you sleep at night. You are a sick, twisted piece of s—- and I hope you burn for this! .... You cowardless b—-, running off the stage! I hope people find you." One text message read: "We know where you live... where your kids go to school/grandkids. We have everything on you."

edited 17th May '16 5:09:07 PM by Rationalinsanity

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