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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#122626: May 17th 2016 at 11:11:46 AM

Welp. Looks like they will defeat the veto then, when they have to do it again.

EDIT- Mind you, I think this is a terrible idea, as much as it might feel good for the victims.

edited 17th May '16 11:12:36 AM by FFShinra

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#122627: May 17th 2016 at 11:12:43 AM

If Hillary is elected, would that make The Man a woman?

Leviticus 19:34
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#122628: May 17th 2016 at 11:14:07 AM

No. It'd still be The Man, since it never referred to the presidency. Think the closest you'd get to a single individual who'd count as The Man is the head of the FBI or IRS or DOJ or some such.

Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#122629: May 17th 2016 at 11:18:00 AM

@ironballs16: Can I at least laugh at him for being careless enough to get caught downloading porn (and probably pick up who knows what kind of viruses and/or malware), in addition to being exposed as a hypocrite?

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
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Lost in Space
#122630: May 17th 2016 at 11:21:52 AM

Eh, it's possible to download porn securely without unnecessary risk, or the industry as a whole would be in serious trouble. Most of the time, what gets you is "free" porn sites that get revenue by serving up skeevy ads. Or so I've heard.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#122631: May 17th 2016 at 11:25:32 AM

I've never understood the whole "looking at porn at work" thing. Do these people think they'll never get caught? Or do they get turned on because of the danger of being caught?

On a related topic, sexual repression is a common thing among the religious right. Stories like this should come as no surprise.

edited 17th May '16 11:47:55 AM by speedyboris

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#122632: May 17th 2016 at 11:53:03 AM

I get paranoid that they'll catch me surfing non-work related sites, nevermind porn sites.....

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#122633: May 17th 2016 at 12:21:37 PM

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I'm fairly sure he was at home when he screencapped that. And yes, it's perfectly okay to laugh at someone caught doing that if it's hypocritical as hell.

And in still more "This fucking election" news, Trump is threatening to sue the NY Times if they don't print a retraction of this article detailing his conduct with various female employees in his business career. Of course, this is Trump, so the threat of the lawsuit isn't exactly surprising. That said, it's decidedly worrisome that he's pushing for "opening up libel laws" if he gets elected, seeing as he'd be a yuge beneficiary of such a change. Granted, if he gets to be President, he'd probably push for reinstating the Alien & Sedition Act.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#122634: May 17th 2016 at 12:35:12 PM

[up] We need to build a wall on the East Coast to keep those damn Irish out.

Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) urges Sanders to condemn violence in Nevada.

Reid made sure that Sanders was aware of just how ugly things got — including incidents of chair throwing — and expects his colleague will condemn the violence soon.

Bernie Sanders on Tuesday accused the Nevada Democratic Party of abusing its power to unfairly hurt his campaign, and denied accusations of promoting violence among his supporters.

I don't think that condemnation is coming anytime soon.

edited 17th May '16 12:38:10 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#122635: May 17th 2016 at 12:47:30 PM

Speaking of those Bernie/Trump overlappers, I finally met one. Thinks Trump is less bad than Hillary because he'd expose the corrupt system for what it is and cause its self-destruction, rather than patch up that monstrosity to amble on.

Also thinks the protagonist of Home is a black girl in order to appease liberals. And despises SJW for body-shaming thin people.

It's very strange to encounter this in the flesh. I internally freaked out a little, to be honest.

edited 17th May '16 12:47:53 PM by TheHandle

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#122636: May 17th 2016 at 12:54:18 PM

So, wait, their logic is that Trump is so utterly rotten that he'll make people lose all faith in the institution of government and provoke a revolution? I think that's the same logic Claudius used for naming Nero his successor.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#122637: May 17th 2016 at 12:59:38 PM

I read somewhere that Bomb-Throwing Anarchists had exactly that mindset: the whole point of their terrorist strikes was to provoke abusive and indiscriminate government crackdowns that would raise popular resentment to the breaking point, and thus cause the government's fall.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
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#122638: May 17th 2016 at 1:01:58 PM

About these Nevada protests, y'know if memory serves Hillary deserves one or several more delegates than Sanders considering the caucus results.

Or is this just the DNC's cronyism machine raising its head and prompting backlash? Or both at once? I think the latter's most likely.

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#122639: May 17th 2016 at 1:02:10 PM

Yeah, it's a fairly common motivation for extremists: the system is broken, so anything they do to hasten its collapse will only help usher in the revolution faster. It is hard for them to imagine themselves being the ones up against a wall in such a revolution.

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A procrastination in of itself
#122640: May 17th 2016 at 1:02:38 PM

I've run into such people over here, they refuse to vote Labour because they want a Glorious Socialist Revolution and believe that Labour would keep the system ambling along, I can't remember what they said when I asked about all the people who'd suffer for to to get to the revolution stage.

Hell I have a professor who joked the same for economics, he doesn't like Keynesianism as it might make Capitalism work instead of implode and bring about Communism.

Such people tend to be middle class young people with little to loose in serious built up wealth (like a house, a car and a family) but enough support and wealth that they'd avoid the worst of the hell to come.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#122641: May 17th 2016 at 1:06:14 PM

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Then why the hell does he support Sanders? Last I saw, that class of people made fun of Bernie for being a "cuck" by allowing that pair of BLM protesters take the podium (and look like asses as a result, receiving a large dose of Stop Helping Me from other, saner members of that group).

That said, I can understand the mentality of the Sanders -> Trump swap - a version of All or Nothing where we either finally address the corruption and help the little guy out, or push the system to its breaking point, which generally doesn't work out that well.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
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Lost in Space
#122642: May 17th 2016 at 1:06:53 PM

[up][up]How little they know of true deprivation. /sigh

edited 17th May '16 1:07:04 PM by Fighteer

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#122643: May 17th 2016 at 1:09:36 PM

Or is this just the DNC's cronyism machine raising its head and prompting backlash? Or both at once? I think the latter's most likely.

There is a lot of confusion about what happened in Nevada.

This video seems to give a mostly unbiased view on the subject.

Honestly, a lot of the primary process seems broken to me. I mean it feels like we give delegates to which party's supporters scream the loudest.

I've run into such people over here, they refuse to vote Labour because they want a Glorious Socialist Revolution

In fairness, doesn't Britain have a multi-party party system.

edited 17th May '16 2:49:44 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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United Earth
#122644: May 17th 2016 at 1:11:28 PM

[up][up]Overt revolutions tend to result in extremely conservative backswings as people who've been through one once will do anything to preserve a Status Quo.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#122645: May 17th 2016 at 1:13:02 PM

That's what idiot You Tube leftists like Jimmy Dore claim as well. "Clinton will be worse for the country than Trump", because she'll leave "the system" in place. Therefore we should vote in Trump and expose the system for what it is, etc, etc, etc.

Of course it's total BS. Should be noted that most of the people I've seen advocating this are white, middle class liberals who could ride out a Trump administration relatively comfortably.

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Lost in Space
#122646: May 17th 2016 at 1:13:06 PM

It's brutally ironic that, despite all our gleeful rubbing of hands at the possibility of a raucous, contested circus of a Republican convention, we seem poised to get that treatment in the Democratic convention instead.

Of course, that's because the Democrats are fighting the battle that the Republicans gave up on. Their relative calm is the result of abject surrender.

edited 17th May '16 1:13:58 PM by Fighteer

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#122647: May 17th 2016 at 1:13:52 PM

[up] Instead? Shouldn't that be as well?

Keep Rolling On
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#122648: May 17th 2016 at 1:17:22 PM

Well, there's no one left but Trump on the GOP side, so I'm not sure how that would work.

As for the Democrats, I don't get how the convention can be contested. Doesn't Clinton have more delegates than Sanders even without counting the superdelegates? Shouldn't she win easily unless Sanders captures nearly all of the remaining votes?

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#122649: May 17th 2016 at 1:19:56 PM

[up] Some NEVERTRUMPERS are calling for the RNC to release the delegates at the convention.

This will never realistically happen, but if it did there would be utter chaos.

edited 17th May '16 1:21:48 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#122650: May 17th 2016 at 1:22:54 PM

The Democrats have a higher majority cutoff than half of the normal delegates. Thus, merely winning the majority of the normal delegates isn't enough to be nominated unless the race is very lopsided, otherwise superdelegates will have to give someone the majority. And from what I know Hillary's lead is not enough to win the majority of convention delegates without superdelegate support. That said, she has the majority of them in her support column and they will likely stay there considering that she's leading in the popular vote as well. Or we'll see an agreement between Hillary and Sanders where he releases his own delegates to support her in exchange for some concenssion.

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