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#122551: May 16th 2016 at 11:06:51 AM

[up][up]I think that's Obama's plan, let them shoot themselves in the foot and turn the moderates off voting for them, killing a large chunk, if not the majority, of their supports for the next few years

edited 16th May '16 11:26:17 AM by FieldMarshalFry

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#122552: May 16th 2016 at 11:07:59 AM

So it's a Batman Gambit?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#122553: May 16th 2016 at 11:12:00 AM

It only works if people decide to dump incumbent Republican senators over it.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#122554: May 16th 2016 at 11:26:26 AM

I don't think that's the plan, but the cherry on top.

It was mainly to force themselves into a corner and make them look unreasonable. He's a sacrificial lamb.

Garland doesn't make any sense otherwise.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#122555: May 16th 2016 at 11:27:33 AM

I don't know why he doesn't make sense otherwise; Obama probably chose him as a reasonable compromise and hoped that the Republicans wouldn't dig in their heels.

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#122556: May 16th 2016 at 11:31:03 AM

Obama chose Garland as a good Supreme Court Justice. He's not playing silly games with the Senate. However, those very properties — of being a highly qualified candidate who isn't excessively liberal and who has been unanimously approved before — makes him the perfect troll nominee. Obama wins this thing every possible way, but it's only happening because Senate Republicans decided to be so colossally stupid to begin with.

edited 16th May '16 11:31:57 AM by Fighteer

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#122557: May 16th 2016 at 11:31:37 AM

I'd say more a Xanatos Gambit, Obama comes out on top every time

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#122558: May 16th 2016 at 11:34:30 AM

I felt a bid sad for the Garland guy. He cried tears of joy from being nominated.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#122559: May 16th 2016 at 11:36:07 AM

It mystifies me that the Republicans don't just take the olive branch Obama's extending to them. Their behaviour would make a certain amount of sense if there was some hope of a judge nominated by, say, Bush or Rubio, but by now their "best" case scenario is having a supreme justice nominated by fuckin' Trump. Why even bother at this point? A fanatic truly does double his effort while forgetting his aim.

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#122560: May 16th 2016 at 11:36:51 AM

The summary rejection of everything Obama does has become a Sunk Cost Fallacy at this point.

However, if there were a time to relax that stance, it's now, since all but one incumbent Congressman has won their primary. There is no longer a risk of being Tea Partied out for being too soft on Democrats, at least for this election.

edited 16th May '16 11:38:11 AM by Fighteer

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#122561: May 16th 2016 at 11:37:20 AM

Because they've backed themselves into a corner and if they recognize Obama's authority in any way shape or form the rabid part of their base will eat them alive.

Oh really when?
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#122562: May 16th 2016 at 11:43:03 AM

How? Stay home and help the Democratic candidate? As far as I know, most states forbid sore-loser candidates (if you lose a primary, you can't run in the general).

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#122563: May 16th 2016 at 11:50:48 AM

Right now, Senate Republicans live in fear of losing the 2016 election due to the combination of: a popular, successful outgoing President; the lack of a major crisis to drive voters to "throw out the bums"; a charismatic presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee with significant name-recognition value; and now the nomination of a clown as the Republican candidate.

Literally anything they do to cross the aisle could be seen as a sell-out to the voters that they desperately need to turn out for them, whilst also holding their noses and trying to pretend they don't know anything about that Trump guy.

edited 16th May '16 11:51:09 AM by Fighteer

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#122564: May 16th 2016 at 11:58:08 AM

The "charismatic" part is a teeny bit questionable.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#122565: May 16th 2016 at 12:00:16 PM

Yeah, like isn't that one of the main points against her? Like, I don't find her particularly frigid or anything but a lot of people seem to.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#122566: May 16th 2016 at 12:01:49 PM

[up][up]Especially since charisma has always been Clinton's Achilles Heel.

edited 16th May '16 12:02:06 PM by sgamer82

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#122567: May 16th 2016 at 12:03:32 PM

Whatever. Regardless, the unifying attribute of this Republican Congress is that it considers Obama's presidency to be fundamentally illegitimate and thus will not pay him the courtesy of even negotiating with him. Republicans have been conducting de-legitimizing attacks against Hillary Clinton for far longer than against Obama, since she was at first seen as the "pants-wearer" behind her husband's administration and a potential threat to be the Democratic presidential nominee from very nearly the start of his first term.

In short, Republicans are scared shitless of Hillary and have been running against her in principle for something like twenty-four years. Any concession to Democrats at this point destroys that narrative.

edited 16th May '16 12:03:59 PM by Fighteer

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#122568: May 16th 2016 at 12:04:45 PM

Qualified would have been the better adjective, Fighteer. As the others say, "charismatic" is not Hil.

Honestly I don't think anything new is gonna happen this cycle until the respective conventions. Thats when everything gets officially turned over to the general (which is currently more of a thing for Dems since Sanders is still in the race, though with the GOP it sets in stone the current reality). As the election gets closer and people understand how it will play out ultimately (the polls are far too close between Hil and Trump that no one is gonna take a bet on the winner just yet), that will determine how nice they act toward Obama.

edited 16th May '16 12:07:20 PM by FFShinra

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#122569: May 16th 2016 at 12:06:33 PM

Although, if that article someone posted not too long ago is accurate people tend to really like her when she's actually in office so...

edited 16th May '16 12:06:53 PM by LSBK

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#122570: May 16th 2016 at 12:16:20 PM

Yeah, everything I've seen points to her being awkward on the campaign trail, but a lot more composed and comfortable when she's actually doing the job.

Which, to me, is a good thing. Yeah, it makes the actual elections more difficult, but someone who is absolutely perfect for the campaign might well be a terrible fit for the job. It's like job interviews. You could be incredible at the job, but suck at interviews or vice versa. With Clinton, we know what she's like in an elected position and it's a lot more positive than a lot of people make it out to be.

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Lost in Space
#122571: May 16th 2016 at 12:17:52 PM

That is, basically, what I meant. Her charisma is based around being effective in office: good at building relationships, working with teams, delivering results. Maybe call it competence instead.

The media doesn't want a competent candidate; it wants a candidate that generates pithy clips that can be replayed endlessly on the evening news and talk show circuits. Before he fell among the other Tributes, Marco Rubio made a point that the most play he ever got on national TV was when he accused Trump of having a small penis. Never mind the policy statements.

edited 16th May '16 12:19:21 PM by Fighteer

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#122572: May 16th 2016 at 12:27:44 PM

Eh? Lots of people are betting money on Hillary being the next president. Far more so than on Trump.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#122573: May 16th 2016 at 12:38:26 PM

It's pretty much her election to lose, I think.

edited 16th May '16 12:38:33 PM by sgamer82

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#122574: May 16th 2016 at 12:47:35 PM

The Republican strategy makes perfect sense if you think about it from a "staying in office" perspective rather then a "slow down liberalism" perspective. If the Republicans approve anyone then they loose the base and risk primaries or simply having the base stay home on election day. If they approve none then loose the senate and have the Dems approve someone then the Republican senators can tell the base that they tried.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#122575: May 16th 2016 at 12:59:18 PM

And that's the problem. There base is irrational and racist. They don't see the long term damage Trump is gonna do to the Party

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