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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#122501: May 15th 2016 at 2:42:45 PM

Gingrich however as a former congressman of Georgia would make that state uncompetitive again.

Georgia is worth 16 electoral votes, if Clinton has anything like a reasonable chance she should grab it.

^Without wasted voters, there is no spoiler effect. And the spoiler effect is the big reason why FPTP drives tactical voting for only two parties.

edited 15th May '16 2:43:44 PM by SeptimusHeap

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#122502: May 15th 2016 at 2:52:23 PM

You don't get rid of wasted voters unless the system you're describing doesn't actually use FPTP, though, which you didn't mention.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#122503: May 15th 2016 at 2:54:34 PM

It is not a FPTP system at all, yeah. The only commonality is the existence of electoral districts. And the existence of a primary.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#122504: May 15th 2016 at 2:55:26 PM

Gingrich however as a former congressman of Georgia would make that state uncompetitive again.
That's not what I mean.

I want Gingrich going on about the moon.

Imagine it: We need to build the 51st state in a Moon Base on the Moon, and build a wall to keep the Illegal Extraterrestrials out.

And the multiple divorce jokes.

The two (Trump and Gingrich) would be an unparalleled union of mockery.

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#122505: May 15th 2016 at 3:02:16 PM

FPTP does not force a two party system, it forces two party races, so you can have any number of parties, as long as they fight one on one.

Look at India, they use FPTP but have a ton of parties, however they're regional. The U.K. is pretty similar, we've got a variety of parties, but parliamentary seats come down to two horse races.

So you could end up with two parties dominating in each state, but with a multitude of parties ending up in Congress.

edited 15th May '16 3:04:07 PM by Silasw

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#122506: May 15th 2016 at 4:17:13 PM

It is not a FPTP system at all, yeah.
Then what is it? The only thing that makes a voting system FPTP is that it everyone casts their votes, and the candidate with the most votes wins. Your proposed primary doesn't qualify (since it's electing multiple candidates with a single vote), but the general election (where you simply pick which party ticket you want to see in office) is — and since the primary votes are divided by party anyway, that doesn't actually keep the two-party system from dominating.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#122508: May 15th 2016 at 4:27:41 PM

Doesn't matter, the majority of the GOP is unprincipled enough to back his campaign,

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#122509: May 15th 2016 at 4:52:34 PM

It's a proportional representation system. Also, how many votes one has in a primary - or whether it's a vote rather than a preference scale - is not predefined in my proposal.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#122511: May 15th 2016 at 7:15:28 PM

I can't wait for Clinton to take him apart in the debates.

However I think we missed a great opportunity in not nominating Biden to go after Trump; that would be a bloodbath. Like Trump, Biden has no brain-to-mouth filter but his brain doesn't constantly produce offensive nonsense.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#122512: May 15th 2016 at 7:18:34 PM

I heard that it's actually fairly uncommon for veeps to go right to the presidency.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#122513: May 15th 2016 at 7:20:47 PM

Bush did it.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#122514: May 15th 2016 at 7:22:24 PM

I have a question about the current Supreme Court setup.

Until a ninth Justice is confirmed, it's possible for the court to have a 4-4 split on their decisions. When that happens, the lower court ruling is upheld, but it doesn't set judicial precedent like it would if the Supreme Court gave an actual ruling one way or the other. But what happens if another Justice dies or retires before the current vacancy is filled? Having just seven Justices would remove the possibility of a tie, but is there some minimum number of seats the court has to have filled for its rulings to count?

If not, then given the current Republican resistance to approving any Supreme Court nominations, I gotta wonder if anyone knows which of the remaining Justices is in poorest health at the moment?

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#122515: May 15th 2016 at 7:30:03 PM

[up][up] And Gore at least got the nomination.

Wonder what that presidency would have been like...

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#122516: May 15th 2016 at 7:31:15 PM

Do you think it's possible that not electing Gore will eventually lead to the world ending?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#122517: May 15th 2016 at 7:37:16 PM

Probably not, beyond the inevitable stuff like the sun expanding and the universe going through heat death.tongue

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#122518: May 15th 2016 at 7:38:10 PM

As POTUS, Al Gore would have been as undistinguished as Calvin Coolidge.

Silent Cal versus Wooden Al: Who was more boring? Discuss.

EDIT: Come to think of it, given the current crop with their endless scandals and controversies, I think I'd prefer a boring president right about now...

edited 15th May '16 7:49:22 PM by pwiegle

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#122519: May 15th 2016 at 7:45:58 PM

I mean, I'm interested in how he would have dealt with the significant events of Bush's presidency, personally.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#122520: May 15th 2016 at 7:48:11 PM

I think he would have invaded Afghanistan, but probably not Iraq (that was basically the pet project of a bunch of neocons who were only in the WH as members of the Bush admin).

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#122521: May 15th 2016 at 8:21:18 PM

I have a question about the current Supreme Court setup.

Until a ninth Justice is confirmed, it's possible for the court to have a 4-4 split on their decisions. When that happens, the lower court ruling is upheld, but it doesn't set judicial precedent like it would if the Supreme Court gave an actual ruling one way or the other. But what happens if another Justice dies or retires before the current vacancy is filled? Having just seven Justices would remove the possibility of a tie, but is there some minimum number of seats the court has to have filled for its rulings to count?

If not, then given the current Republican resistance to approving any Supreme Court nominations, I gotta wonder if anyone knows which of the remaining Justices is in poorest health at the moment?

A good question... According to Article III of the United States Constitution, the number of Supreme Court Justices are determined by Congress. Theoretically, the Supreme Court can have as little as one Chief Justice if Congress chose that it would have only a single Justice. However, Congress currently chose there to be nine by law. A Supreme Court with as little as one Justice is still The Supreme Court. The only reason for the particular ruling in the event of a tie is in case there is an even number of Supreme Court Justices making a ruling.

edited 15th May '16 8:22:08 PM by GameGuruGG

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#122522: May 15th 2016 at 8:31:45 PM

Donald Trump: Rubio not being considered for VP.

I have feeling Rubio was Trump's first pick and he ended up declining.

edited 15th May '16 8:32:18 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#122523: May 15th 2016 at 8:33:45 PM

[up][up] Well, that lends support to my theory that Senate Republicans are hoping the next Justice to die or retire will be one of the liberal ones, which would give the court a conservative majority again.

edited 15th May '16 8:34:12 PM by RavenWilder

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#122524: May 15th 2016 at 8:36:27 PM

Forgive my ignorance, but who are the conservative and liberal judges, exactly?

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#122525: May 15th 2016 at 8:42:11 PM

Kagan, Sotomayor, Ginsberg, Breyer for the libs. Chief Justice Roberts, Kennedy, Thomas, Alito for the cons.


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