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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#122376: May 13th 2016 at 9:18:15 PM

"They have the right to practice their religion, free from discrimination and prejudice. When there's a public "draw Mohammed" contest, it is trampling on their right to practice their religion free from prejudice and hatred."

They don't actually have the right to practice religion free from either of those. The only guarantee is a freedom from suppression. If we're allowed to burn Bibles, we should be allowed to draw Mohammed. I wouldn't ever do so, because a.) a particularly insane Muslim will fucking murder me; and b.) it's pointless and petty. The Constitution isn't a moralistic document, and it's not there to provide refuge for hurt feelings. Part of living in a civilized society is knowing when to Turn the Other Cheek.

edited 13th May '16 9:23:41 PM by CrimsonZephyr

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#122377: May 13th 2016 at 9:45:13 PM

Its more than just being a dick though. Depicting Mohammed through imagery is a horrible thing, and in every single case, just comes from a place of "fuck muslims and their right to practice their religion".

It'd be like walking up to a Christian and literally taking a shit on a picture of Jesus.

What about when saying "fuck you" to someone else's religion is part of your religion? I mean, the Church of Satan chose most of its iconography specifically to spit in the face of Christianity.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#122378: May 13th 2016 at 9:58:28 PM

It's also laughably right wing in a lot of its particulars, depending on which group you're talking about.

In any case, I'm pretty sure you'd get arrested for publicly taking a shit on anything, so maybe that's not the best metaphor, and anyway it seems like we're veering off topic. (Also, does anyone really burn bibles anymore? I think people got bored with that.)

TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#122379: May 13th 2016 at 10:05:34 PM

A quick search reveals Miley Cyrus burned one last year at one of her concerts as part publicity stunt, part political statement. (Complete with declaring support for Hillary, just so this can remain somewhat on-topic.)

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#122381: May 13th 2016 at 10:50:17 PM

[up]Gay rights are too mainstream nowadays to do that and still be taken seriously. It's the GOP's neverending struggle to remain relevant, yet bigoted in a changing world.

edited 13th May '16 10:50:44 PM by CrimsonZephyr

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#122382: May 13th 2016 at 11:28:45 PM

What a difference 10 years can make.

2004 election Gay marriage and homosexuality in general was a sort of taboo even a campaign issue.

New Survey coming this weekend!
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#122383: May 14th 2016 at 1:28:00 AM

Seems like they are moving on to a better front line, to me. Although the "homosexuality is a choice" thing is still wrong.

Also, a few pages back: I stand by that comment on Debbie Wassermann Schultz. The way she's supporting the loan industry is just too off-party for my liking.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#122384: May 14th 2016 at 1:39:55 AM

Miley Cyrus was being a dink.

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A procrastination in of itself
#122385: May 14th 2016 at 3:09:46 AM

Yes the consent was specifically a dick thing but it's possibly to draw Muhammad without being a dick. Nobody cared when South Park first did it in July of 2001, because unlike the later depiction attempt they didn't make a thing out of him appearing and a storyline about people wanting to shut it down. He was simply a character alongside a half dozen other religious figures.

Generally depictions of Muhammad are done so as to insult Islam and piss people off, those are dick moves, but one can do it with no such intent, the same way one can eat meat without doing it deliberatly to anger vegetarians.

edited 14th May '16 3:10:07 AM by Silasw

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#122386: May 14th 2016 at 3:30:42 AM

Of course, one reason to draw Muhammad can be simply to remind the world how fucking stupid it is to prohibit it!

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#122387: May 14th 2016 at 4:52:07 AM

The prohibition has a non dumb reason behind it, but its defenders and offenders only care about honoring or breaking it for its own sake. That is dumb.

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V
#122388: May 14th 2016 at 5:11:47 AM

Pfizer blocks its drugs from use in lethal injections

Pfizer Inc has taken steps to ensure that none of its products are used in lethal injections, the largest U.S. drugmaker said on Friday.

"We are enforcing a distribution restriction for specific products that have been part of, or considered by some states for, their lethal injection protocols," the New York-based drugmaker said on its website. "Pfizer strongly objects to the use of its products as lethal injections for capital punishment."

The move shuts off the last remaining open market source of drugs used in executions, following similar actions by more than 20 U.S. and European drugmakers, according to a report in the New York Times on Friday.

Interestingly, previous actions have led to several States using Black Market Drugs for Executions.

Pfizer’s distribution restriction limits the sale of the seven products to a select group of wholesalers, distributors, and direct purchasers under the condition that they will not resell these products to correctional institutions for use in lethal injections, the company said.

Pfizer said it offers the products because they save or improve lives, and markets them solely for use as indicated in the product labeling.

Keep Rolling On
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#122389: May 14th 2016 at 6:03:18 AM

Incidentally, The Far Side once had Mohammed in a strip, where a mountain was ringing his doorbell while his wife was outcontext . No idea whether there was any public outcry or controversy over that depiction.

Another thing to keep in mind, however, is that there's been some major disagreements in the past over the Catholic Church using stained glass and other artwork to depict various Saints, and whether that would constitute "worshipping false idols". [down] I thought so too (namely, related to the Catholic/Eastern Orthodox split), but couldn't find any supporting evidence for it. Hopefully the current series on Extra History will cover it soon.

edited 14th May '16 6:35:10 AM by ironballs16

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#122390: May 14th 2016 at 6:23:46 AM

[up]That wasn't so much a "disagreement" as a full-blown schism.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#122391: May 14th 2016 at 7:13:06 AM

Lethal injection drugs are stupid. Nitrogen asphyxiation is simple, painless, cheap, and safenote 

edited 14th May '16 7:13:31 AM by NativeJovian

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#122393: May 14th 2016 at 10:05:24 AM

[up]You speak of this as a joke but ISIL decapitated people using detonating cords and similarly gruesome and brutal methods.

Inter arma enim silent leges
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#122394: May 14th 2016 at 10:17:36 AM

Cross Posting with LGBT Rights and America:

Congressman Mocks The GOP’s ‘Great American Bathroom Controversy’ - “The party of small government wants a government small enough to fit underneath the toilet seat,” said Democrat Alan Grayson.

He also apparently flat out asked "my God what is wrong with you people?"

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#122395: May 14th 2016 at 10:20:20 AM

One word: scaphism.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#122396: May 14th 2016 at 10:28:52 AM

[up] one question: what's scaphism mean?

EDIT: ah, looked it up. It's an execution method

edited 14th May '16 10:30:20 AM by sgamer82

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#122397: May 14th 2016 at 12:44:39 PM

Mitt Romney is among those courting prospects for a possible third-party bid to keep Donald Trump from the White House, according to a Washington Post report.

Among those prospects are Senator Ben Sasse (R-Nebraska), one of Trump’s most vocal Republican critics, and John Kasich, who suspended his presidential campaign in early May.

They also courted Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban to run for president in a third-party bid.

This is getting kinda pathetic.

edited 14th May '16 12:45:07 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
#122398: May 14th 2016 at 12:58:46 PM

[up][up][up][up] ....too bad I"m not registered as Democrat, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat in the primaries. He's my kind of guy [lol]

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#122399: May 14th 2016 at 1:09:45 PM

re: 122379: To be fair being anti-trans rights is officially a national GOP policy at this point.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#122400: May 14th 2016 at 1:58:41 PM

Technically, civil rights legislation requires all public bathrooms to be unisex, anyway. It's just no one's gone through the effort to get that enforced.


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