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#121876: May 10th 2016 at 4:21:07 PM

Amazingly Goldwater and Wallace both did better than George McGovern in 1972 in the electoral college since he only got 1 state and DC, though in terms of popular vote, McGovern got 37.5%. In addition, Ronald Reagan, patron saint of conservatives, decimated his opponents in the electoral college in both elections where he was elected president. In 1980, Jimmy Carter won 6 states and DC in the electoral college and got 41% of the popular vote. In 1984, Mondale won 1 state and DC in the electoral college and got 40.6% of the popular vote.

edited 10th May '16 4:25:38 PM by GameGuruGG

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#121877: May 10th 2016 at 4:32:31 PM

why don't you like Sander's? internationally speaking he's just the leader you need to get some respect back after the Tea Party fucked up your reputation (though there is a lot of sympathy for Obama), policy wise he's looking to implement policy's the United Sates is currently more than a little backwards on (main one being health care, one of the reasons I will NOT visit the US in its current state)

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#121878: May 10th 2016 at 4:34:45 PM

What's astounding from reading the history is how quickly the country went from extremely liberal to conservative. Some of those hippies protesting the Vietnam war and burning bras, flags and the like, must have voted for Reagan in significant numbers. I've heard the traditional explanation, and I've heard the left wing business racist conspiracy theory, but neither make sense. If everyone was racist why did integration become so widely accepted that MLK got a holiday and the Cosby Show (cringe) became a national sensation. I personally see the Conservative Revolution, at least for ordinary people,as more as a state of mind and view on the world than a change on policy stance, if that makes any sense.

[up] You know the end all and be all of international relations is not to gain the approval of Europe right?

edited 10th May '16 4:36:14 PM by JackOLantern1337

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#121879: May 10th 2016 at 4:38:09 PM

[up][up]Sanders has good ideas but his execution is lacking. He talks a great game, but if you actually look at the details of his plans, they're smoke and mirrors. He can't actually do what he claims he's going to do the way he claims he's going to do it. I'm not talking about the "political revolution" sort of rhetoric, which is hard to quantify, I'm talking about stuff like his budget proposals, where actual experts have looked at his numbers and essentially said "nope, doesn't work as written". It's unclear whether he honestly believes his own numbers or he knows that they're bunk and is using them anyway — but both are troubling for different reasons.

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#121880: May 10th 2016 at 4:45:32 PM

isn't that what all politicians do though? it's part of politics, you make these claims, bring out some vague figures to get you into office, then once you're there you figure out where the hell all the money is going

edited 10th May '16 4:45:50 PM by FieldMarshalFry

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#121881: May 10th 2016 at 4:48:33 PM

That's the caricature of what people think politicians do, Fry. And quite frankly, if we're going with smoke and mirrors Clinton's put up better versions of both of those things.

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#121882: May 10th 2016 at 4:50:09 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Keep in mind that I'm a Republican (my first choice for candidate was Rubio) who finds Trump in many ways to be too liberal (note: that's not even close to my only complaint with him. He's also a bigot, a liar, and a jerkass).

Clinton I tolerate because I think she'll lead the nation slightly rightwards. Sanders, however, will bring it leftward. He might get America some extra respect in Europe, he does so by making America...well, more like Europe-which I don't want.

edited 10th May '16 4:50:16 PM by Protagonist506

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#121883: May 10th 2016 at 4:52:20 PM

you haven't clarified your position though, is it just the fact he's left wing? are there any policies? he's not even all that left wing, over here he'd be a Blairite, and the left hate the Blairites

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#121884: May 10th 2016 at 4:53:25 PM

Personally I don't see what's so bad about Europe that being more like them would be a terrible thing. It's also such a generic thing to say, since there's more than one country and they don't all do things the same way, either. Comparisons to the EU also tends to fall apart because the EU doesn't operate the same way the US does, being more a loose confederation formed for the sake of economics and not a singular federal state. What country in Europe do you specifically not want to be like? In what way do you want to not be like them? Because I can assure you there's several unpleasant ways in which we're similar already.

edited 10th May '16 4:54:25 PM by AceofSpades

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#121885: May 10th 2016 at 5:10:14 PM

[up] Probably how far left their politics are, general lack of respect for government or patriotism, or the fact that the economies of most of their member states are in the shitter, with Spain outright bragging about achieving 10 percent unemployment. Also Europeans, which when it is said like that usually implies Western Europeans, are sexually promiscuous moral degenerates. Besides the implied criticism of the Contents tolerant attitudes towards Homosexuality, it's also about their low age of consent laws, and their, especially the French's, nonchalant attitude towards extramarital affairs.

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#121887: May 10th 2016 at 5:16:38 PM

I honestly can't tell if you were being sarcastic or sincere, Jack.

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#121888: May 10th 2016 at 5:22:47 PM

[up] It's what other people think not me, you asked why people dislike Europe. Some of these I believe are positives, like the tolerance towards Homosexuality.

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#121889: May 10th 2016 at 5:26:31 PM

Clinton is currently leading Sanders in West Virginia.

This could be very bad news for Bernie.

[up] I'd through in Hypocrisy as well. Europeans like to position there nations as beacons of tolerance when compared to racially- divided America.

But the vast majority of most European nations are white and there treatment of the brown-skinned Roma leaves something to be desired.

edited 10th May '16 5:36:21 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#121890: May 10th 2016 at 5:32:50 PM

[up]x6 Fair point. But nonetheless, I mean to say that we'll be like Europe in that we'd adopt various left-leaning political styles associated with European notions (I'm speaking vaguely, I admit).

I won't lie that my dislike of Sanders is partially philosophical in nature rather than strictly policy based-I think his values are very different from mine, even more so than Hillary (who I believe is less left-leaning than she says she is). Sanders self-identifies as a socialist (which worries me), where as Hillary's a neo-liberal (I prefer freer markets). However, we do disagree on policy a lot. I prefer Hillary's foreign policy to Sander's non-existent policies. Having said that, I think Sander's gun policies might be better if I understand them correctly. There are of course other disagreements I have with both (for example, I'm very strongly opposed to abortion and drug legalization), but to be fair I also have disagreements with the GOP on some positions too (my positions on immigration is probably closer to the democrats in some ways. I'd also want the Syrian refugess let in. I also hate Islamophobia, though I think the democrats try too hard to not be Islamophobic)

edited 10th May '16 5:34:45 PM by Protagonist506

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#121891: May 10th 2016 at 5:33:01 PM

[up][up]we just elected a Muslim Major of London, that has to give us a few points towards intergration

edited 10th May '16 5:33:39 PM by FieldMarshalFry

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#121892: May 10th 2016 at 5:33:27 PM

  • England: This racism is unacceptable. No son of mine is going to behave like that! Who told you this is okay?
  • America: I learned it from YOU, okay?! I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU!!!

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#121893: May 10th 2016 at 5:33:30 PM

Europe is generally much more racist than the US, it's just that the racism lacks the old institutions of American racism so it seems less odious.

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#121894: May 10th 2016 at 5:35:10 PM

[up][up][up] And we're thrilled that Sadiq Khan is in power! But I've seen a lot of superior "Make America Great Britain Again" attitude that pisses me off considering how fucking odious the British Empire was (and is to a lesser extent)

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#121895: May 10th 2016 at 5:35:13 PM

[up][up]that's Eastern Europe you're thinking of, the EU is trying its best, but with Poland electing fascists... we have a long way to go.

why don't you support the legalisation of drugs? if they're legalised addiction can be treated as a medical problem instead of a criminal one, it severely damages criminal elements as they can no longer make anywhere near as much money, brings in extra tax revenue, and the previous enforcement policy's have been a complete failure

edited 10th May '16 5:39:07 PM by FieldMarshalFry

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#121896: May 10th 2016 at 5:38:12 PM

[up][up] Wait the British Empire still exists?

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#121897: May 10th 2016 at 5:39:25 PM

Western Europe has plenty of racism, it's just less obviously to Americans because it's directed often at people of different nationalities/cultural groups then different skin colours, though there's plenty of Arab/Muslim targeted racism going around lately.

[up] Kinda, though the only racism left is what we did with the British Indian Oceam territory, an the US was part of that.

edited 10th May '16 5:40:55 PM by Silasw

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#121898: May 10th 2016 at 5:41:21 PM

still, at least it is incompetent racism, like Britain First invading a halal butchers, and antagonising the staff who carry meat cleavers as a matter of course and have easy access to mincing machines, sounds like the start of a Python sketch

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#121899: May 10th 2016 at 5:41:32 PM

[up][up] From my understanding your Muslims are more like our Mexicans, in terms of being more numerous and less educated, in general the farther you are from a place the more an immigrant group coming from that place will be a "model minority", and people fear they will outbreed the native population and take over the country.

edited 10th May '16 5:41:49 PM by JackOLantern1337

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#121900: May 10th 2016 at 5:46:36 PM

Trump won West Virgina.

The fact that he couldn't get over 71% of the vote though is problematic. It shows the #NEVERTRUMP movement is not going away.

Senator Ted Cruz rules out third-party bid.

edited 10th May '16 5:47:39 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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