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#121751: May 9th 2016 at 7:23:37 AM

I'm a big fan of certain MSNBC hosts, like Maddow and Matthews. They do an excellent job. Their daytime programming, however...

I'm sad that Maddow didn't call Bernie out on his declaration, but she was visibly skeptical.

edited 9th May '16 7:24:30 AM by Fighteer

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Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
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#121752: May 9th 2016 at 7:28:24 AM

There's no denying that Fox has been a powerful force in shaping our society and our political process. Treating them as crazy and ignoring them out of the hopes that reason will prevail among the general public has clearly not been working as a coping mechanism. Now, I don't think creating a diametrically opposed mirror network on the left is a viable means of counterbalancing things out - if nothing else, because the extreme left will never have the same kind of self-interested financial support that the extreme right has by default. But I do think the left needs to take a step back and radically rethink its overall strategy for dealing with how Fox distributes misinformation and empowers hatred, and Sanders is at least recognizing that it's not a problem that will go away if we pretend it doesn't exist hard enough.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#121753: May 9th 2016 at 7:36:44 AM

I'd like news focused on facts instead of sensationalism.

I find that one of the best ways to change someone's mind is befriend them and then slowly alter their beliefs.

So somebody just needs to sneak into Fox News, get friendly with whoever's in charge there, and start to teach him. tongue Or at least try to understand how his mind works.

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#121754: May 9th 2016 at 7:36:59 AM

Peddling propaganda will just make the public disinterested in what the Left actually has to say, though.

As for Fox News hosts, most are invariably slimy, but it gets more difficult to judge which are sincerely held beliefs and which are just money talking. You can't just befriend them and change their views if a big fat paycheck is cut for them on the condition they spew insanity.

edited 9th May '16 7:38:52 AM by CrimsonZephyr

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#121755: May 9th 2016 at 7:54:04 AM

@Zephyr: I can't say I agree with your assessment of youth voters as "flighty", at least in terms of ideology; there's several factors which are incredibly strong predictors of a generation's future political leanings, and probably the biggest one is the popularity and political leaning of the administration they came into adulthood under.

For millennials, we have an incredibly unpopular right wing administration (Bush) followed by a reasonably popular center-left administration heavily affected by right wing obstructionism. Combine that with the fact that millennials are also coming into adulthood during a period of major economic turmoil (something which is predictive of radical political positions), and there's no wonder the generation leans extremely far to the left compared to the current political orthodoxy.

edited 9th May '16 7:54:44 AM by CaptainCapsase

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#121756: May 9th 2016 at 7:56:45 AM

Then again, "bias" isn't always lies and bigotry, it's just a skew towards another direction.

It's usually that when things are going really good, people want things to stay as they are, right? And people grow up wanting things to stay the same, even if they could still change for the better.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#121757: May 9th 2016 at 7:58:09 AM

[up] Sort of...But there's a reason why people are comparing millennials to the greatest generation in terms of how far to the left they are economically; the formative political experience of both was a major economic collapse.

It's true that people like things to stay the same when times are good when they come into adulthood, but it's completely the opposite when times are bad for a generation coming into adulthood.

edited 9th May '16 8:00:13 AM by CaptainCapsase

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#121758: May 9th 2016 at 8:02:34 AM

As with many things, I blame the Internet. tongue Giving everybody a voice lets other people see their problems, and when people start to voice their problems, government tries to do things to quiet them.

I only have a couple friends (whom I don't talk to anymore) who'd want to vote for Trump. They're a lot more conservative, which is ironic considering how radical he really seems.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#121759: May 9th 2016 at 8:03:18 AM

Is the greatest generation the one that grew up in the Great Depression and WWII?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#121760: May 9th 2016 at 8:03:34 AM

[up] Yes.

edited 9th May '16 8:04:40 AM by CaptainCapsase

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#121761: May 9th 2016 at 8:05:03 AM

They're the generation that beat Hitler!

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#121762: May 9th 2016 at 8:05:45 AM

[up] And we can only hope millennials will be the generation to beat climate change.

edited 9th May '16 8:05:51 AM by CaptainCapsase

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#121763: May 9th 2016 at 8:11:52 AM

Aren't they also the generation that produced Hitler?

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#121764: May 9th 2016 at 8:12:51 AM

...no.

IIRC, the idea of a 'Greatest Generation' comes from some book written in the 90s by some old guy. The term is blatantly biased. This guy argues that the men and women of this generation fought 'because it was the right thing to do', ignoring the fact that America stayed out of WW 2 for as long as politically possible.

Also, Russia technically won the war against Germany. Disregarding what happened afterwards, the war could not have been won without them.

Which hasnt stopped Americans from taking all of the credit

edited 9th May '16 8:13:26 AM by Xopher001

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#121765: May 9th 2016 at 8:15:20 AM

That "old guy" would be Tom Brokaw.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#121766: May 9th 2016 at 8:17:14 AM

Yes. Born in 1940, making him 58 when the book was published, and 76 today. Therefore an old guy tongue

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#121767: May 9th 2016 at 8:36:32 AM

Huh, I always figured the "Greatest generation" term referred to the leadership in WW 2. The average soldier who fought because it was the "right thing to do"... weren't they mostly conscripts?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#121768: May 9th 2016 at 8:37:19 AM

[up] It can cover both given how broad the term generation gets.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#121769: May 9th 2016 at 8:49:00 AM

Given the book came out in the mid-90's, I think Brokaw may have also been contrasting it with Vietnam.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#121770: May 9th 2016 at 9:10:53 AM

The only generation in that era I remember clearly was reading about the Lost Generation (name may be wrong), the disillusioned youths who survived serving in WWI.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#121771: May 9th 2016 at 9:22:17 AM

"I can't say I agree with your assessment of youth voters as "flighty", at least in terms of ideology; there's several factors which are incredibly strong predictors of a generation's future political leanings, and probably the biggest one is the popularity and political leaning of the administration they came into adulthood under."

I meant "flighty" as in them being attached to faddish political campaigns, declaring them and the people campaigning for them as being part of an earthshaking revolution, losing, and then moving on to the next craze du jour. Their complete and utter disdain for institutional politics, parties, and incremental legislation, added to their hero worship of whichever candidate peddles the most bombastic rhetoric, and you basically have the ingredients for a demagogue and his or her movement.

Like, let's say Bernie actually wins the primaries and goes on to win the election. After two years of governing, how many millennials will go out and vote in 2018? In 2020? What will his approval ratings be like after one year, keeping in mind that any president, no matter how inspiring, will face an obstructive and intransigent opposition? Millennials (and I am a Millennial, despite my regular disdain for many of the generation's trends) are setting themselves up for disappointment, and that's why they move on from rabblerouser to rabblerouser — because the actual nitty-gritty of government bores them.

One final note: there is no greatest generation. Every generation is shit in its own little way.

edited 9th May '16 9:23:48 AM by CrimsonZephyr

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#121772: May 9th 2016 at 9:22:31 AM

This one?

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#121773: May 9th 2016 at 9:23:33 AM

I still like Obama, even though I didn't vote for him. Any of his shortcomings I've overlooked, because he HAS been very inspiring.

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#121774: May 9th 2016 at 9:33:28 AM

Did Sanders explain his "left wing Fox News" idea? He might have meant in the "cultural touchstone that has a strong media presence and goes to bat for its side" more then "bunch of assholes that lie all the time".

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#121775: May 9th 2016 at 9:36:37 AM

Left Wing Fox News? Isn't that just MSNBC?

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