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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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I wouldn't go as far as Garcon did, but I do think it is true that if you dislike Trump it's better to vote for the candidate that won't completely destroy the country that can actually win.
Having to choose between two people you don't necessarily like very much, or even just between a horrible person and a mostly decent person who you still disagree with on a lot of issues is basically political elections in a nutshell.
edited 4th May '16 9:26:49 AM by wehrmacht
First, is Kasich's withdrawal is official now if it wasn't already
"Now for the hard part" - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0XU0TP
Also, despite my "there's no distinction" post earlier, choosing to vote third party is not inherently a vote for Trump. Or, at least in my mind, it isn't unless you planned to vote Democrat then changed your mind since otherwise the Dem would not be getting that vote anyway. It's basically a zero-sum, if I'm using the term right.
In my honest opinion, an individual vote is little more than a fart in the wind. The real victor is the one who gets the greatest turnout at the Mexican buffet.
Heck, isn't voter turnout considered the only real threat to a democrat victory?
edited 4th May '16 9:39:34 AM by sgamer82
I just realized something....
All Presidential candidates once they've become the presumptive nominee will get briefed by the US intelligence community as a courtesy for them to not be blindsided by anything should they win the nomination in November.
...And Trump is going to get one.
Fuck.
He may blab about something on national TV he shouldn't have.
New Survey coming this weekend!Except that Clinton's reputation for dishonesty doesn't arise from anything she actually did or said, but rather from a decades-long smear campaign by right-wing media.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
I'm sure there's a few things that, at minimum fall under Not Helping Your Case.
edited 4th May '16 9:50:41 AM by sgamer82
The severity and frequency of their lies is not even remotely comparable in the slightest. Trump is an almost pathological liar. Clinton is no more dishonest than any other politician.
I'm still struggling to see how these two are remotely comparable in terms of how bad they are, please enlighten me.
Oh really when?I don't see the point in trying. When you open with "Any vote not for a Democrat is a vote for Trump," then I have to assume I'm not dealing with a reasonable person.
"No more dishonest than any other politician" is playing to a stereotype. And you are effectively admitting that she is not an honest person, so we agree.
edited 4th May '16 10:04:03 AM by Bense
Is there any incident in particular that's bothered you about her?
I'm on record saying that I don't think anything in Clinton's closet can make me see her as a worse choice than Trump, so I'll acknowledge you probably won't change my mind, but I am honestly curious.
edited 4th May '16 10:04:23 AM by sgamer82
Well due to the way the math works it is. First past the post says that any vote not for one of the big two is essentially thrown away and due to how demographics and voter turnout has always been if you don't vote Democrat or stay home you're saying you're fine with a Trump victory.
Oh really when?That is a reasonable (if blunt and perhaps cynical) argument, because the winner of a FPTP system only needs to have more than the one in second; not voting for one of the two top candidates lowers the bar (i.e., number of votes) needed to win.
edited 4th May '16 10:05:59 AM by megarockman
The damned queen and the relentless knight.I feel that only really applies if you were going to vote for one or the other then decided not to. See my earlier Mexican buffet metaphor.
If your vote was never going to either candidate anyway, then at worst it affects exactly nothing to cast it elsewhere or not at all. Though I personally would advocate voting even if the person you desire has no chance vs not voting at all.
Hell, the fact that bense would otherwise have voted conservative/Republican and now won't is more like an implied vote to the Democratic candidate (no offense intended bense)
edited 4th May '16 10:16:34 AM by sgamer82

edited 4th May '16 9:23:53 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"