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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#120901: May 3rd 2016 at 7:36:33 PM

One thing to keep in mind about Trump, this coming from a Canadian. Trump is ridiculously unpopular in most of the world (except Russia for some reason). At the very least, Trump will likely wreck many of the positive relationships the US still has. I'm pretty sure Justin Trudeau and the Canadian Parliament are really worried about him as well, especially since Trump really has not had much to do with Canada in the past.

Clinton, on the other hand, is at the very least, respected in most of the world. She won't wreck the US foreign relations out of spite.

edited 3rd May '16 7:37:21 PM by Zendervai

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#120902: May 3rd 2016 at 7:38:01 PM

If Trump's rhetoric weren't enough to make me hate him (which they were) John Oliver's episode devoted to him made me not want to vote for him even more.

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#120903: May 3rd 2016 at 7:38:13 PM

I kinda doubt Trump would pick a VP from his former opponents, but I wouldn't be entirely surprised. He's consistently been much nicer to them once he perceives they are no longer a threat, Christie being the most embarrassing example. One dumb suggestion I heard would be for him to nominate one of his kids, which I'm not sure any of them are even viable for, but it's so stupid I can't rule it out.

On Sanders' supporters switch to Trump, polls have shown an incredibly vast difference in values held between Sanders and Trump supporters. I can only see the seriously anti-establishment types that would flip, and admittedly some racists and sexists as well ("of course blacks and women would get conned by Clinton, this is why we can't have nice things" and other such lines of thought).

However, I can't really imagine that there is a significant number of (left-leaning) people out there who think Clinton is fundamentally untrustworthy, and at the same time think that Trump is not. And I highly doubt most Sanders supporters fall in that category.

edited 3rd May '16 7:43:10 PM by Eschaton

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#120904: May 3rd 2016 at 7:42:35 PM

[up]X3 That's why I'm so horrified by the fact that some people here are considering voting for Trump/not voting against him, this is a man committed to carrying out war crimes, this is an actual Fascist, no joke no exaggeration. Right now in Europe Poland, Hungary and in part Austria have got fascist/are about to have openly fascist governments, Greece is cosntnstly on a knife edge of tipping into Fascist rule and yet there are people here who'd willingly place the US under the control of a Fascist?

If the US goes fascist then it's kinda game over for a lot of people, maybe not in the US but everywhere else, I especially find the idea of someone who calls themself "pro life" voting for a man who has a policy of child murder (again not an exaggeration, Trump has called for the murder of the children of 'terrorists') to be almost comically insane.

edited 3rd May '16 7:42:56 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#120905: May 3rd 2016 at 7:43:52 PM

Most of the people who vote for Sanders but won't vote for Clinton never would have voted anyway.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#120906: May 3rd 2016 at 7:44:41 PM

As far as I'm concerned; staying home is just as bad as voting for Trump.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#120907: May 3rd 2016 at 7:45:23 PM

@Silasw: There's a ban against talking about abortion in detail IIRC, but I will admit that my views are pretty extreme even by Republican standards-perhaps too extreme. You do make a good point about Hindenburg, though.

And of course there's the whole foreign relations thing. I do rather like having Canada be an ally. Fine, I'll consider voting for Hillary

Sigh Anyone want to join my new underwater city project?

edited 3rd May '16 7:47:24 PM by Protagonist506

Leviticus 19:34
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#120908: May 3rd 2016 at 7:45:55 PM

One dumb suggestion I heard would be for him to nominate one of his kids, which I'm not sure any of them are even viable for, but it's so stupid I can't rule it out.

The President and the VP can't be from the same state.

possibly ethnic cleansing (I'm not sure if murdering entire ethnic communities within a nation would count as that but I think it would)

I honestly doubt that Trump will advocate genocide. At least in America.

The big difference between Trump and Hitler is that Trump is not known for his consistency.

Case in point:

Donald Trump: Israel should keep building West Bank settlements.

Good job, remaining neutral on the subject! /s

edited 3rd May '16 7:49:45 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#120909: May 3rd 2016 at 7:47:38 PM

@Nervmeister; if you're voting based on that one single issue you've got some serious single issue wonk going on and are probably voting poorly. Trump might not sign the TPP (I don't think anyone's asked him and I think it's fallen out of the general public consciousness) but he would be terrible in regards to things like women's rights, the rights of immigrants, Muslims, equal pay, foreign relations.

Yeah, for a president you've really got to consider the whole package and not just one or two issues.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#120910: May 3rd 2016 at 7:49:01 PM

You can move within a presidential election year and still qualify, though. Cheney lived in Texas right up until he picked himself to be Bush's running mate, then picked up a residence in Wyoming. Ivanka could just move over to Connecticut for a year.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#120911: May 3rd 2016 at 7:49:48 PM

I honestly doubt that Trump advocate genocide. At least in America.

I mean his policies on Mexicans (AKA Hispanics) and Muslims (AKA Arabs) might well lead to ethnic cleansing but that wasn't my focus, it's more his mass murder forign policy that I was talking about.

And of course there's the whole foreign relations thing. I do rather like having Canada be an ally. Fine, I'll consider voting for Hillary

It wouldn't just be Canada, Japan and South Korea would go, as likely would what bits of Europe aren't themselves subject to the rise of Fascism, you wouldn't become North Korea, but there'd be no reason to ally with the US over Russia. In fact Russia might well be the comparative good guy, that's why Putin likes Trump, he makes Putin look reasonable and peaceful.

edited 3rd May '16 7:52:41 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#120912: May 3rd 2016 at 7:50:18 PM

Ivanka Trump is only 34 years old, so she doesn't qualify.tongue

Kasich has no plans to drop out yet. http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politics/john-kasich-not-leaving-race-ted-cruz/index.html

edited 3rd May '16 7:50:59 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#120913: May 3rd 2016 at 7:52:23 PM

@Trump committing genocide: He's already talked about banning Muslims from reentering the US and said something about creating a database of them. He's only one or two steps removed from actually wanting to do it. Who knows, it wouldn't shock me if he'd actually try it if he thought he could get away with it.

[up]Actually she is eligible. She'd turn 35 before being sworn in.

edited 3rd May '16 7:53:08 PM by Kostya

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#120914: May 3rd 2016 at 7:54:15 PM

There is also the bit about going after terrorists family

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#120915: May 3rd 2016 at 7:55:13 PM

Will this possibly affect things with Clinton v Sanders?

Clinton will probably try to focus more on the general election.

The problem with that plan is that Sanders shows no sign of letting this primary end, especially now that he won Indiana.

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#120916: May 3rd 2016 at 7:55:45 PM

Trump might not sign the TPP (I don't think anyone's asked him and I think it's fallen out of the general public consciousness)
Trump has said that he wouldn't sign the TPP, but only because it's too good for China and not good enough for the US. But all that shows is how ignorant he is about the issue. God forbid he actually learns what it's supposed to do.

Also, I want to remind people that Trump doesn't actually want to commit any war crimes. He just wants to rewrite the laws so they are no longer "crimes." What's wrong with that?

edited 3rd May '16 7:57:27 PM by Eschaton

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#120917: May 3rd 2016 at 8:00:06 PM

He's actually going to bother rewriting them? He strikes me as the kind of person that would think these rules are for babies.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#120919: May 3rd 2016 at 8:00:34 PM

Checks and balances exist here to keep us from turning into a dictatorship. Whatever Trump wants to do has to get past Congress first.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#120921: May 3rd 2016 at 8:04:20 PM

Couldn't Trump be impeached? It worked for Nixon.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#120922: May 3rd 2016 at 8:04:21 PM

Then we might very well have a second American Revolution or something to that effect.

And yeah, if Trump abused his authority enough he could probably be impeached.

edited 3rd May '16 8:04:49 PM by theLibrarian

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#120923: May 3rd 2016 at 8:05:32 PM

[up]X4 That's a reason not the panic, not a reason to vote for him/not vote against him.

You don't give a wannabe mass murderer power just because the system will stop him from killing.

edited 3rd May '16 8:05:56 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#120924: May 3rd 2016 at 8:07:27 PM

I think (a Republican-dominated) Congress would be much more pliable whatever inane ideas Trump might come up with, as long as he backs theirs. Unless things start literally burning down, and then we'll see backpedaling like never before.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#120925: May 3rd 2016 at 8:08:18 PM

@Trump committing genocide: He's already talked about banning Muslims from reentering the US and said something about creating a database of them.

But he'll still let in his rich Muslim friends. Skip to 1:50.

That's the thing about Trump. There isn't a genuine bone in his body.

What I'm worried about is all the people that will take Trump at face value, and try to imitate him.

Florida Governor Rick Scott (R) ‘not interested’ in being Trump’s running mate.

edited 3rd May '16 8:23:39 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.

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