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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#120876: May 3rd 2016 at 6:53:29 PM

Yeah, that's my general thinking about Hillary.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#120877: May 3rd 2016 at 6:56:25 PM

Clinton will be Obama's third term; possibly with a more assertive foreign policy. That's it.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#120878: May 3rd 2016 at 6:56:49 PM

The very worst we would get with Clinton would be Obama II, which is not something I'd be embarrassed to tell my kids about.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#120879: May 3rd 2016 at 6:57:42 PM

I mean, not that Obama was the best president, either, but still.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#120880: May 3rd 2016 at 6:58:48 PM

He wasn't the best, but he was far from the worst and a lot of his setbacks can be blamed on the Republicans blocking him before he even suggested something.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#120881: May 3rd 2016 at 6:59:38 PM

Obama was a fairly middle of the road president and I'd expect the same of Hillary. Of course that looks fantastic when your alternative is a guy that's Hitler lite.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#120882: May 3rd 2016 at 7:00:31 PM

Indeed, I've found multiple things about how under his presidency he killed Bin Laden, got the stock market back up, reduced gas prices, and helped to end the war in Iraq, but he "failed" as a president to the media and most Republicans.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#120883: May 3rd 2016 at 7:03:04 PM

Yeah. Protagonist has reason to be against both sides because he's an actual conservative. With the exception of extreme radicals who want to torch the whole system, no liberal has an excuse for not preferring Clinton to Trump.

edited 3rd May '16 7:03:51 PM by Ramidel

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#120885: May 3rd 2016 at 7:03:27 PM

I'd say he did what he could, given the extreme opposition to him that developed.

But yeah, can we pull the throttle back on the hyperbole? I feel like it's popping up more and it muddies the conversation. Trump's going to be a huge setback, but not actually the end of the country. Hillary will be more in the vein of Obama, which is actually a good thing as far as I'm concerned. Sanders isn't the messiah that would save us all, and would face many of the same challenges Obama has and that Hillary will if she gets into office.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#120886: May 3rd 2016 at 7:04:28 PM

I can't in good conscience vote for either.

What so disgusts you about the Democratic Party that you couldn't bring yourself to vote for it even to prevent thousands of Americans possibly being placed in internment camps (something Trump may well do)? I mean how do you find the Democrats so horrible that you won't ally with them against a literal fascist?

Trump's going to be a huge setback, but not actually the end of the country.

His election might not be the end of the country but it would be the end of a lot of lives, both at home (say hello to public lynchings again, but this time with Mexicans instead of blacks) and abroad (rember Trump has committed himself to committing crimes against humanity).

edited 3rd May '16 7:06:31 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#120887: May 3rd 2016 at 7:05:28 PM

A Trump-Hillary run is rapidly inducing apathy in me.

Reminder to everyone: Even if you choose not to vote in the Presidental election, you should still go out and vote down-ticket.

A lot of Senate and House elections are happening this year.

The Obama administration is preparing to create the nation’s first monument dedicated to the gay rights movement.

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#120888: May 3rd 2016 at 7:11:36 PM

@Silasw: Asking a Cruz supporter to vote for Hillary is a little much, you know.

edited 3rd May '16 7:11:48 PM by Ramidel

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#120889: May 3rd 2016 at 7:14:06 PM

I am not happy about this news. No, not because I wanted to vote for Cruz (far from it), but I was hoping for a contested convention so that the GOP would pick somebody else. That hope is shattered now.

As for the Democratic party side, we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. If Bernie drops out, I'm betting a good chunk of his supporters will either stay home in protest or switch sides and vote for Trump because "HILLARY IS T EH EVIL!" If Bernie sticks with it, he and Hillary will split the Democrat votes and Trump gets the win.

Less importantly, Cruz dropping out just gave those hecklers a huge ego boost: "Ha! He dropped out because of me!" That's the last thing they need.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#120890: May 3rd 2016 at 7:15:11 PM

Actually apparently a lot of Sanders supporters said they would vote for Hillary if he didn't win the nomination.

And that memorial had better be called the Stonewall Memorial or the Harvey Milk Memorial.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#120891: May 3rd 2016 at 7:17:36 PM

As for myself, I'll probably vote Hillary if FBI clears her. If they don't, I'll probably vote third party

I live in Dark Blue California though, so its not like it will matter.

[up] It's Stonewall.

edited 3rd May '16 7:18:15 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#120892: May 3rd 2016 at 7:17:40 PM

[up][up][up][up]To be fair, my first choice was Rubio, not Cruz.

To answer the question: abortion and gun control are the two issues that usually prevent me from even considering a candidate. Also, as Carter said, Trump can be flexible and might moderate his views in the long run.

In any event, I don't think Trump has a snowball's chance in hell of winning. So, congrats Mrs. Clinton!

edited 3rd May '16 7:18:56 PM by Protagonist506

Leviticus 19:34
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#120893: May 3rd 2016 at 7:18:47 PM

Can we stop with this idea that Bernie supporters are going to jump ship to Trump? They despise him.

I wonder how Bernie endorsing Hillary would effect things though. It's probably going to happen after he loses.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#120894: May 3rd 2016 at 7:22:41 PM

[up][up] If Trump picks Rubio to be his VP (which I think he will), will you vote for him?

edited 3rd May '16 7:23:10 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#120895: May 3rd 2016 at 7:24:35 PM

[up]I seriously doubt that's probable, but actually yes. Especially if Trump promises to never wear a seat-belt and run with scissors a lot.

Leviticus 19:34
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#120896: May 3rd 2016 at 7:27:08 PM

@Silas, the lynch mob thing is already happening; we've discussed the fact that vigilantes go out with guns and patrol along the border in desert areas to look for border crossers.

Also, I think some people in this thread are overestimating the amount of people who like both Sanders and Trump. I think most people who like Sanders and still want to vote realize that Clinton is a far closer match to their views than Trump, and aren't in the "let's watch the world burn/I've been left behind camp" that want to vote Trump.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#120897: May 3rd 2016 at 7:28:31 PM

To answer the question: abortion and gun control are the two issues that usually prevent me from even considering a candidate. Also, as Carter said, Trump can be flexible and might moderate his views in the long run.

And you consider abortions and gun control more important then crimes against humanity and possibly ethnic cleansing (I'm not sure if murdering entire ethnic communities within a nation would count as that but I think it would) Because remember, offical Trump policy is to commit crimes against humanity, that's his belief and his policy. The idea that he might moderate that policy later, I'm sure that Victor Emmanuel III and Paul von Hindenburg both thought somethings similar.

edited 3rd May '16 7:29:56 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#120898: May 3rd 2016 at 7:30:48 PM

Can we substantiate these claims that Bernie supporters would jump ship to Trump if he dropped out, or at least that enough would do so to make a difference?

Oh God! Natural light!
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#120899: May 3rd 2016 at 7:35:27 PM

Trump is already praising Cruz.

“Ted Cruz––I don’t know if he likes me or he doesn’t like me,” Trump said, “but he is one hell of a competitor. He is a tough, smart guy, and he has got an amazing future.”

The pivot is real.

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#120900: May 3rd 2016 at 7:35:52 PM

Im just going to vote for whoever's least likely to sign the TPP into law.


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