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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
The very worst we would get with Clinton would be Obama II, which is not something I'd be embarrassed to tell my kids about.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I'd say he did what he could, given the extreme opposition to him that developed.
But yeah, can we pull the throttle back on the hyperbole? I feel like it's popping up more and it muddies the conversation. Trump's going to be a huge setback, but not actually the end of the country. Hillary will be more in the vein of Obama, which is actually a good thing as far as I'm concerned. Sanders isn't the messiah that would save us all, and would face many of the same challenges Obama has and that Hillary will if she gets into office.
What so disgusts you about the Democratic Party that you couldn't bring yourself to vote for it even to prevent thousands of Americans possibly being placed in internment camps (something Trump may well do)? I mean how do you find the Democrats so horrible that you won't ally with them against a literal fascist?
His election might not be the end of the country but it would be the end of a lot of lives, both at home (say hello to public lynchings again, but this time with Mexicans instead of blacks) and abroad (rember Trump has committed himself to committing crimes against humanity).
edited 3rd May '16 7:06:31 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranReminder to everyone: Even if you choose not to vote in the Presidental election, you should still go out and vote down-ticket.
A lot of Senate and House elections are happening this year.
Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.I am not happy about this news. No, not because I wanted to vote for Cruz (far from it), but I was hoping for a contested convention so that the GOP would pick somebody else. That hope is shattered now.
As for the Democratic party side, we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. If Bernie drops out, I'm betting a good chunk of his supporters will either stay home in protest or switch sides and vote for Trump because "HILLARY IS T EH EVIL!" If Bernie sticks with it, he and Hillary will split the Democrat votes and Trump gets the win.
As for myself, I'll probably vote Hillary if FBI clears her. If they don't, I'll probably vote third party
I live in Dark Blue California though, so its not like it will matter.
It's Stonewall.
edited 3rd May '16 7:18:15 PM by Demonic_Braeburn
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To be fair, my first choice was Rubio, not Cruz.
To answer the question: abortion and gun control are the two issues that usually prevent me from even considering a candidate. Also, as Carter said, Trump can be flexible and might moderate his views in the long run.
In any event, I don't think Trump has a snowball's chance in hell of winning. So, congrats Mrs. Clinton!
edited 3rd May '16 7:18:56 PM by Protagonist506
Leviticus 19:34
I seriously doubt that's probable, but actually yes. Especially if Trump promises to never wear a seat-belt and run with scissors a lot.
@Silas, the lynch mob thing is already happening; we've discussed the fact that vigilantes go out with guns and patrol along the border in desert areas to look for border crossers.
Also, I think some people in this thread are overestimating the amount of people who like both Sanders and Trump. I think most people who like Sanders and still want to vote realize that Clinton is a far closer match to their views than Trump, and aren't in the "let's watch the world burn/I've been left behind camp" that want to vote Trump.
And you consider abortions and gun control more important then crimes against humanity and possibly ethnic cleansing (I'm not sure if murdering entire ethnic communities within a nation would count as that but I think it would) Because remember, offical Trump policy is to commit crimes against humanity, that's his belief and his policy. The idea that he might moderate that policy later, I'm sure that Victor Emmanuel III and Paul von Hindenburg both thought somethings similar.
edited 3rd May '16 7:29:56 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranCan we substantiate these claims that Bernie supporters would jump ship to Trump if he dropped out, or at least that enough would do so to make a difference?
Oh God! Natural light!Trump is already praising Cruz.
The pivot is real.
Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.

Yeah, that's my general thinking about Hillary.