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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#120726: May 2nd 2016 at 2:58:14 PM

Just because people stop caring about what labels are being applied to them doesn't necessarily mean they aren't true.

Yeah, are probably a lot of exceptions but there's a reason Trump supporters have been labeled they way they have.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#120727: May 2nd 2016 at 2:58:24 PM

[up][up][up][up] Depends at what stage of the election where in.

If it happens before the primary is over, then Sanders is practically guaranteed the nomination. If it happens after Hillary has won the nomination, then the Dems are in uncharted water.

The Supreme Court announced Monday it would not intervene to allow release of phone records from the late “D.C. madam” Deborah Jeane Palfrey, despite one of her former attorneys claiming the records are “very relevant” to the presidential election.

edited 2nd May '16 3:01:01 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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TheWanted Since: Oct, 2013
#120728: May 2nd 2016 at 3:06:02 PM

[up][up] that just shows my point. Being dismissive and making judgements about people. Now, that isn't to say they do it as well. But many here never get called out on the fact they do it too.

edited 2nd May '16 3:06:34 PM by TheWanted

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#120729: May 2nd 2016 at 3:14:37 PM

It's not being dismissive. It's looking at what Trump has actually said and what his supporters have actually said or continue to support him, and judging them on that basis.

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#120730: May 2nd 2016 at 3:35:39 PM

Right. These are documented facts. It's not dismissive to call a black kettle black, or an avowed white supremacist a white supremacist.

edited 2nd May '16 3:35:56 PM by Fighteer

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#120731: May 2nd 2016 at 3:47:55 PM

Sorry to ask this, but could someone tell me where I could find an article where Cruz goes full-on fundie? I'm writing a paper for my ethics class, and I need something to help lay the foundation.

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#120732: May 2nd 2016 at 3:53:50 PM

[up] Here's a good one. http://www.advocate.com/election/2016/4/22/everything-you-need-know-about-ted-cruzs-transphobic-attack-ad-video

edited 2nd May '16 3:58:29 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#120733: May 2nd 2016 at 3:54:59 PM

lets start with his open and willing association and support of Nazi level homophobia.... http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/opinion/campaign-stops/ted-cruz-and-the-anti-gay-pastor.html?_r=0 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelangelo-signorile/post_10496_b_8544540.html

edited 2nd May '16 3:55:52 PM by FieldMarshalFry

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#120734: May 2nd 2016 at 3:57:04 PM

Here's another good one. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/02/ted_cruz_just_turned_drafting_women_into_the_military_into_a_wedge_issue.html

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#120735: May 2nd 2016 at 3:59:23 PM

Assuming Donald Trump wins the Republican nomination, there is one thing that does need to be addressed. A third of the Electoral College is still going to go to Donald Trump, and that's assuming every swing state goes Democrat.

edited 2nd May '16 4:00:05 PM by GameGuruGG

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#120736: May 2nd 2016 at 4:00:07 PM

[up][up][up] Ah, yes. That's actually the incident I was thinking of, but I didn't know what to look for.

Thanks guys, those should do just fine.

edited 2nd May '16 4:00:53 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#120737: May 2nd 2016 at 4:00:17 PM

if Cruz is the Devil... what does that make Trump? my money is on the Super Devil

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#120738: May 2nd 2016 at 4:02:17 PM

Trump is the Devil's jester who decided to sit in his chair one day while he was out shopping.

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#120739: May 2nd 2016 at 4:05:09 PM

hmm... Trump is older... I think that may make him The First of the Fallen

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#120740: May 2nd 2016 at 4:13:23 PM

Trump's main real path to victory is basically if:

  • 1. A massive scandal breaks out for Hillary (not a faux scandal)
  • 2. She gets charged for criminal charges for something
  • 3. Something destroys her reputation

1 and 3 are basically the same thing arguably. But basically it'd have to be something that discredits her entire political career.

Or she killed a person.

And expect Trump and Roger Stone to hammer on the fact the DNC and the Clinton Foundation both look an awful lot like money laundering for Clintons and friends.

Which isn't helped for the fact Hillary, unlike her husband, is a lot weaker on personal Charisma, and for varying reasons has this perpetual air of Nixonian sleaze. Where even if she isn't doing anything wrong (or outside the limits of the law), she constantly gives off this very constant sense of seediness and corruption and sleaze. Which is why the Sachs speeches and the E-Mails remain Millstones that continue to dog her.

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#120742: May 2nd 2016 at 4:39:11 PM

[up][up] Ironic given she helped prosecute Tricky Dick.

@The Wanted: I've seen it in my conservative friends. Hell I've seen it in my own mother.

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#120743: May 2nd 2016 at 4:47:36 PM

She is the second disliked U.S. Presidential candidate in history going into an election, behind Trump. 40% of people being polled disliking her is abnormal.

Again. The reason they stick, is she sucks at brushing off scandals, i.e. Low Charisma. Bill was able to brush aside most of his scandals, because he had a better sense (or better team) with handling "bullshit". Hillary doesn't. She's bad at sidestepping curveballs and causing herself more grief than she needs (see the Nancy Reagan thing being an example of this).

And even if you think it's bullshit, after the DNC, we're going to hear non-stop:

  • Poor handling of Bengzhai as Secretary of State
  • Whitewater II: Hillary Edition
  • Hillary, weak on rape, because her husband might of raped women
  • "So what did she say behind closed doors to Goldman Sachs???"
  • "Clinton Foundation: Money Laundering Machine??? Or Pay-To-Play Scam Charity? YOU DECIDE!"
  • "Hillary Clinton thinks she's above the law so much she can have a private E-Mail server for government communication she wasn't authorized by the NSA to have"

And even if it sounds like bullshit, that's what's going to be blaring on TV, Radio and Social Media for the next 5-6 months afterwards. And it will raise eyebrows for low information voters and give more red meat to Republicans than is probably needed, than say, if Biden had been picked.

edited 2nd May '16 4:52:31 PM by PotatoesRock

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#120744: May 2nd 2016 at 4:53:33 PM

Obama got plenty of garbage tossed at him for months; and he still won despite being up against a far more effective opponent than Cruz or Trump would be to Clinton.

Most of the people who buy into all that stuff won't vote Democrat anyway, and anyone with some misgivings against Clinton (who is still remotely moderate/progressive) will just vote against her opponent if nothing else.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#120745: May 2nd 2016 at 4:54:01 PM

[up][up] Not to mention most people believe that if she becomes president, she will immediately change her mind on the TPP and sign it, as she has pulled similar stunts like that in the past.

edited 2nd May '16 4:54:22 PM by Bat178

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#120746: May 2nd 2016 at 5:16:54 PM

Bat, I think you're overestimating drastically how much the average person gives a shit about the TPP, or can even name what it's about, let alone the stuff about the internet within that deal. Internet activism aside, there's plenty of people who don't give a shit about that. Just as there's plenty of people who don't give a shit about the whole email thing, or the Goldman Sachs speeches, or that think she handled the Benghazi thing pretty well.

The real test is coming up, and that's how she handles Trump one on one on the debate stage. And I have to say, I'm both anticipating this and very nervous.

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#120747: May 2nd 2016 at 5:21:05 PM

[up] Indeed, and even quite a few people who do care can be swayed with the argument that it's a way to keep the Chinese in line.

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#120748: May 2nd 2016 at 5:53:51 PM

[up][up][up][up] 1) Obama is damn charismatic 2) though the competition was more competent, the accusations had such a high level of bullshit they destroyed what was left of the American rights international credibility

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#120749: May 2nd 2016 at 6:06:49 PM

And it will raise eyebrows for low information voters
Only "undecided" voters, of which there are precious few left. Low-information voters tend to vote for "their side" and brush off any information contradicting their preconceived narrative as lies by the "other side". Years of highly polarizing politics means that basically everyone has already picked their side and precious little can dislodge them now. What's swayed recent elections isn't convincing undecided voters to pick you over your opponent, it's been motivating the base that already supports you to get excited about your candidacy so they actually got out and vote.

And the fact of the matter is, demographics overwhelmingly favor Clinton. Pretty much the only demographic that consistently votes conservative is "older white males". Younger people, minorities, and women all tend Democratic. The problem for Democrats is that younger people and minorities are also much less likely to actually vote than older white people. But presidential elections tend to be the exception, as if someone's going to vote for anything, they'll vote for president.

Barring an inherently-unforeseeable October Surprise, Hillary is almost certain to win.

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#120750: May 2nd 2016 at 6:07:15 PM

I think your all underestimating Trump. He didn't get this far without a certain cunning and good political instincts. He may be a mediocre, at best business man, he is a brilliant showman. And now he is putting on the biggest show of his life. Christ they should sell the plot of this election to HBO. I'd certainly watch a series about it in a few years once it's all over, and we can laugh about it afterwords.

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