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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#120601: Apr 30th 2016 at 11:57:47 AM

A brokered convention is very likely to result in a non-Trump nominee given his lack of organization.

edited 30th Apr '16 11:58:02 AM by SeptimusHeap

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#120602: Apr 30th 2016 at 12:03:24 PM

In favour of Cruz?!

Well obviously I don't want either to win, but I think Trump is more dangerous and more likely to win a general election because a) He doesn't have the extreme conservative baggage, b) he breaks all the rules of conventional politics and c) nothing seems to stop him.

Also Trump is pretty much doomed if it goes to a brokered convention.

edited 30th Apr '16 12:04:17 PM by storyyeller

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TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#120603: Apr 30th 2016 at 12:03:38 PM

I'd like to get a quick comment in on the economics of China before giving that a rest.

No... As consumers. No company is going to cut out the most populated nation on Earth without a very damn good reason, especially when the mentality of many companies are profit above everything else.

China is in the middle of cutting off its own nose to spite its face on this score. China is attempting to restrict and make it very difficult for big foreign products to get sold in the country, in part because it is dramatically favoring its own State Owned Enterprises, which China wants to become symbols of national pride that are associated with China the same way companies like Nintendo are with Japan or Samsung with Korea.

To accomplish that, China has taken actions including forcing foreign companies that want to use factories there to turn over intellectual property/manufacturing secrets to China, which they have then set themselves to recreating and selling under domestic companies, which sells these knock off products for less while China screws with the foreign competitor. Not for nothing are suddenly 5 out of the top 10 smart phone manufacturers Chinese companies.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#120604: Apr 30th 2016 at 12:04:56 PM

@storyyeller: Are you absolutely sure that Trump is more dangerous than Cruz?

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#120605: Apr 30th 2016 at 12:06:05 PM

To be far, China's policies have been pretty successful at creating domestic champions. Look at Baidu, Tencent and Wechat.

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#120606: Apr 30th 2016 at 12:08:16 PM

Are you absolutely sure that Trump is more dangerous than Cruz?

I just explained why in my previous post but here it is again

Trump is more dangerous and more likely to win a general election because a) He doesn't have the extreme conservative baggage, b) he breaks all the rules of conventional politics and c) nothing seems to stop him.

Neither candidate seems likely to win a general election right now, but Trump is full of surprises and Cruz isn't. Better the devil you know then the devil you don't.

edited 30th Apr '16 12:10:18 PM by storyyeller

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#120607: Apr 30th 2016 at 12:10:55 PM

And that is why one does not edit posts to answer things - it's easily missed.

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NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#120608: Apr 30th 2016 at 2:26:47 PM

There are still about 606 Delegates left around about.

Trump could still pull off a Primary Win. Given Cruz and Kasich are imploding now like candidates in the Primary past...

Cruz has picked Carly Fiorina, who is basically Sarah Palin, but missing even Palin's hilarious Narm Charm of a personality.

And Kasich picked the worst possible time to ally with Ted Cruz.

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#120609: Apr 30th 2016 at 2:38:26 PM

So anyone want to give odds on Trump going third party if he doesn't get the nomination? I would say 50/50 if he doesn't come into the convention with the requisite number of delegates and loses, 10-1 in favor if he does and they cheat him.

Trump delenda est
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#120610: Apr 30th 2016 at 2:39:04 PM

Right now, it looks like Trump will probably win. But there's still plenty of opportunity for an upset (particularly in Indiana)

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#120611: Apr 30th 2016 at 2:42:06 PM

Trump is also more dangerous then Cruz because Trump wouldn't face a third party run by Cruz, while Cruz will certainly face a third party run by Trump if he grabs the nomination.

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#120612: Apr 30th 2016 at 2:44:59 PM

Trump I would say is less dangerous because he's a corrupt asshole and those can be dealt with. Cruz is a true believer. He will send you off to the reeducation camps thinking that he's doing you a favor.

Trump delenda est
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#120613: Apr 30th 2016 at 2:48:20 PM

It's hard to tell who would be worse as president, since they are both terrible. But there is a much bigger risk of Trump winning if he is nominated.

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#120614: Apr 30th 2016 at 2:51:22 PM

[up][up] Trump however is more crazy and unpredictable, Cruz would start wars and possible nuke somewhere, but you know who he'd be nuking, Trump is crazy enough that he might nuke the US itself.

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#120615: Apr 30th 2016 at 3:11:58 PM

Trump would at the top of the tick would mean Democrats would have a hell of an easier time making Hispanic voters as loyal to the party as African-Americans are, long term.

God, I hope he's the nominee.

New Survey coming this weekend!
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#120616: Apr 30th 2016 at 3:15:11 PM

In other news, I got a voter information booklet in the mail today listing all the candidates for senate and their statements. One person had a rant about mind control satellites. What is with these people? I guess it's not that hard to get on the ballot.

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#120617: Apr 30th 2016 at 3:16:06 PM

Again, Cruz and Kasich would need a brokered convention to win the Republican nomination now... Trump could still get enough votes to win on the first ballot. What Democrats should want is a brokered convention so that the Republicans can deny Trump the nominee. Not only would the Republican Party as a whole have a chance to denounce Trump's views publicly, Trump will run third-party thus ensuring the Democrats win big this election.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#120618: Apr 30th 2016 at 3:17:08 PM

Or Trump will campaign against Congressional Republicans if he's denied the nomination, that would also suit the Democrats but is less likely.

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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#120619: Apr 30th 2016 at 4:17:29 PM

There's been some riots in California over Trump.

edited 30th Apr '16 4:23:50 PM by Bat178

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#120620: Apr 30th 2016 at 5:06:23 PM

Obama final correspondents' dinner is tonight.

Expect a lot of jokes at Trump's expense.

edited 30th Apr '16 5:31:37 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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#120621: Apr 30th 2016 at 5:39:17 PM

@Storyyeler: if this whole deal wasn't so sad, it would've been so funny I would have been in need of medical attention right now.

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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#120622: Apr 30th 2016 at 5:43:48 PM

Also, people calling the US the world's only Superpower are technically incorrect. They are CURRENTLY the only Superpower. Russia, the UK, France, and Germany were all Superpowers before the US, and Russia only lost it's Superpower status recently in the 90's when the Soviet Union separated, while the UK, France and Germany lost their Superpower statuses after the World Wars due to the damages they took and their colonies all becoming independent.

edited 30th Apr '16 8:15:52 PM by Bat178

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#120623: Apr 30th 2016 at 5:44:43 PM

I've heard it said that America is a Hyperpower, and the first of its type.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#120624: Apr 30th 2016 at 5:44:46 PM

I thought it was clear we mean the only one currently around. Whether or not there have been others doesn't really matter.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#120625: Apr 30th 2016 at 5:47:00 PM

[up][up][up] Actually, Great Britain, France, Germany etc. were called Great Powers. The only so-called "Superpowers" were the Soviet Union and the US.

edited 30th Apr '16 5:47:19 PM by DrunkenNordmann

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