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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
In favour of Cruz?!
Well obviously I don't want either to win, but I think Trump is more dangerous and more likely to win a general election because a) He doesn't have the extreme conservative baggage, b) he breaks all the rules of conventional politics and c) nothing seems to stop him.
Also Trump is pretty much doomed if it goes to a brokered convention.
edited 30th Apr '16 12:04:17 PM by storyyeller
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's PlayI'd like to get a quick comment in on the economics of China before giving that a rest.
China is in the middle of cutting off its own nose to spite its face on this score. China is attempting to restrict and make it very difficult for big foreign products to get sold in the country, in part because it is dramatically favoring its own State Owned Enterprises, which China wants to become symbols of national pride that are associated with China the same way companies like Nintendo are with Japan or Samsung with Korea.
To accomplish that, China has taken actions including forcing foreign companies that want to use factories there to turn over intellectual property/manufacturing secrets to China, which they have then set themselves to recreating and selling under domestic companies, which sells these knock off products for less while China screws with the foreign competitor. Not for nothing are suddenly 5 out of the top 10 smart phone manufacturers Chinese companies.
| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |To be far, China's policies have been pretty successful at creating domestic champions. Look at Baidu, Tencent and Wechat.
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's PlayAre you absolutely sure that Trump is more dangerous than Cruz?
I just explained why in my previous post but here it is again
Trump is more dangerous and more likely to win a general election because a) He doesn't have the extreme conservative baggage, b) he breaks all the rules of conventional politics and c) nothing seems to stop him.
Neither candidate seems likely to win a general election right now, but Trump is full of surprises and Cruz isn't. Better the devil you know then the devil you don't.
edited 30th Apr '16 12:10:18 PM by storyyeller
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's PlayThere are still about 606 Delegates left around about.
Trump could still pull off a Primary Win. Given Cruz and Kasich are imploding now like candidates in the Primary past...
Cruz has picked Carly Fiorina, who is basically Sarah Palin, but missing even Palin's hilarious Narm Charm of a personality.
And Kasich picked the worst possible time to ally with Ted Cruz.
Right now, it looks like Trump will probably win. But there's still plenty of opportunity for an upset (particularly in Indiana)
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's PlayTrump is also more dangerous then Cruz because Trump wouldn't face a third party run by Cruz, while Cruz will certainly face a third party run by Trump if he grabs the nomination.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranIt's hard to tell who would be worse as president, since they are both terrible. But there is a much bigger risk of Trump winning if he is nominated.
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Trump however is more crazy and unpredictable, Cruz would start wars and possible nuke somewhere, but you know who he'd be nuking, Trump is crazy enough that he might nuke the US itself.
In other news, I got a voter information booklet in the mail today listing all the candidates for senate and their statements. One person had a rant about mind control satellites. What is with these people? I guess it's not that hard to get on the ballot.
Blind Final Fantasy 6 Let's PlayAgain, Cruz and Kasich would need a brokered convention to win the Republican nomination now... Trump could still get enough votes to win on the first ballot. What Democrats should want is a brokered convention so that the Republicans can deny Trump the nominee. Not only would the Republican Party as a whole have a chance to denounce Trump's views publicly, Trump will run third-party thus ensuring the Democrats win big this election.
Wizard Needs Food Badly@Storyyeler: if this whole deal wasn't so sad, it would've been so funny I would have been in need of medical attention right now.
On empty crossroads, seek the eclipse -- for when Sol and Lua align, the lost shall find their way home.Also, people calling the US the world's only Superpower are technically incorrect. They are CURRENTLY the only Superpower. Russia, the UK, France, and Germany were all Superpowers before the US, and Russia only lost it's Superpower status recently in the 90's when the Soviet Union separated, while the UK, France and Germany lost their Superpower statuses after the World Wars due to the damages they took and their colonies all becoming independent.
edited 30th Apr '16 8:15:52 PM by Bat178

A brokered convention is very likely to result in a non-Trump nominee given his lack of organization
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edited 30th Apr '16 11:58:02 AM by SeptimusHeap
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